Extra terrestrial life: do you believe they exist?

Started by viper37, May 03, 2016, 09:35:06 AM

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Does extra-terristrial (intelligent) life exists?

No, we are alone in the universe, always have been, always will be.
4 (8.7%)
No, maybe in the future, after us.
1 (2.2%)
There was life, but they are long gone (extinct).
1 (2.2%)
Yes, I see them every saturday morning, they initiate contact when I'm still drunk.
1 (2.2%)
Yes, I know, I have Faith they are out there.
0 (0%)
Yes, I do not have any proofs, but I am sure the universe is too big for us alone.
39 (84.8%)

Total Members Voted: 45

Berkut

Quote from: mongers on May 05, 2016, 12:57:17 PM
Isn't the Drake equation better? *






* In true languish tradition I've not clicked on the link and read it, so going by the way Viper described it, it isn't that old but gold musing.



This is a modification of the Drake equation, replacing someone of the variables that are now roughly known, and removing "how long does intelligent life survive" variable.

It is asking a slightly simpler question...
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mongers

Quote from: Berkut on May 05, 2016, 02:00:10 PM
Quote from: mongers on May 05, 2016, 12:57:17 PM
Isn't the Drake equation better? *






* In true languish tradition I've not clicked on the link and read it, so going by the way Viper described it, it isn't that old but gold musing.



This is a modification of the Drake equation, replacing someone of the variables that are now roughly known, and removing "how long does intelligent life survive" variable.

It is asking a slightly simpler question...

Which to me seems like almost the key variable, as it's linked to the probability of us ever being able to communicate with them, rather than say just conduct future extra-archaeology. 
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Berkut

Quote from: mongers on May 05, 2016, 02:32:13 PM
Quote from: Berkut on May 05, 2016, 02:00:10 PM
Quote from: mongers on May 05, 2016, 12:57:17 PM
Isn't the Drake equation better? *






* In true languish tradition I've not clicked on the link and read it, so going by the way Viper described it, it isn't that old but gold musing.



This is a modification of the Drake equation, replacing someone of the variables that are now roughly known, and removing "how long does intelligent life survive" variable.

It is asking a slightly simpler question...

Which to me seems like almost the key variable, as it's linked to the probability of us ever being able to communicate with them, rather than say just conduct future extra-archaeology. 

It's a key variable if the thing you want to think about is "Are we ever going to have a chat with extra-terrestrials?" but not important at all if your interest is "What are the odds that human intelligence is truly unique?"
"If you think this has a happy ending, then you haven't been paying attention."

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grumbler

Quote from: Berkut on May 05, 2016, 03:09:59 PM
It's a key variable if the thing you want to think about is "Are we ever going to have a chat with extra-terrestrials?" but not important at all if your interest is "What are the odds that human intelligence is truly unique?"

Exactly.  The work reads to me as an attempt to quantify the highest chance of intelligent life developing on a suitable world consistent with the human race being unique in the history of the universe as an intelligent life form.  That number is very very low based on what we know right now.
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Brazen

Voted no, despite the probability sums backed by scientists, because i'm assuming the poll is about intelligent life. I do, however, think it's a dead cert we'll find evidence of mono-cellular life elsewhere.

Razgovory

It is interesting that so many people "believe" in extraterrestrial live despite zero evidence that it exists.
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Valmy

Quote from: Razgovory on May 06, 2016, 09:57:06 AM
It is interesting that so many people "believe" in extraterrestrial live despite zero evidence that it exists.

I think there is some evidence that single cellular organisms exist outside of earth.
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Razgovory

Quote from: Valmy on May 06, 2016, 10:08:10 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on May 06, 2016, 09:57:06 AM
It is interesting that so many people "believe" in extraterrestrial live despite zero evidence that it exists.

I think there is some evidence that single cellular organisms exist outside of earth.

Only the ones we brought into space with us.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

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Valmy

Quote from: Razgovory on May 06, 2016, 10:12:57 AM
Quote from: Valmy on May 06, 2016, 10:08:10 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on May 06, 2016, 09:57:06 AM
It is interesting that so many people "believe" in extraterrestrial live despite zero evidence that it exists.

I think there is some evidence that single cellular organisms exist outside of earth.

Only the ones we brought into space with us.

I thought there were possible residue left behind on Mars maybe possibly indicating there was bacteria there at some point?
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I thought there was evidence there had been life on Mars at one point too. Dunno if it's my faulty memory or sensationalist reporting to blame.
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Razgovory

Quote from: Valmy on May 06, 2016, 10:16:49 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on May 06, 2016, 10:12:57 AM
Quote from: Valmy on May 06, 2016, 10:08:10 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on May 06, 2016, 09:57:06 AM
It is interesting that so many people "believe" in extraterrestrial live despite zero evidence that it exists.

I think there is some evidence that single cellular organisms exist outside of earth.

Only the ones we brought into space with us.

I thought there were possible residue left behind on Mars maybe possibly indicating there was bacteria there at some point?

There have been claims, but each one falls apart when under scrutiny. 
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Valmy

Quote from: Razgovory on May 06, 2016, 10:21:31 AM
There have been claims, but each one falls apart when under scrutiny. 

Links? Evidence has also been found in meteorites as well I had thought.
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Razgovory

Quote from: Valmy on May 06, 2016, 10:28:57 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on May 06, 2016, 10:21:31 AM
There have been claims, but each one falls apart when under scrutiny. 

Links? Evidence has also been found in meteorites as well I had thought.

Links to what?  It's hard to link to a negative.  Not a lot of news stories say "Nothing here!".  You are thinking of a meteorite found in the 1990's where a few scientists thought some mud might be fossilized bacteria.  Here's a link that NASA put out concerning that meteorite.  http://www.nasa.gov/centers/johnson/news/releases/2004/J04-025.html  Several years later.  There is no particular reason to think it contains fossils.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Valmy

Quote from: Razgovory on May 06, 2016, 10:40:12 AM
You are thinking of a meteorite found in the 1990's where a few scientists thought some mud might be fossilized bacteria.

No I am thinking of the Meteor in Sri Lanka a few years back.

QuoteLinks to what?

Well where do you get your information? Meditation?
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

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Razgovory

I had to look that one up.  Turns out it wasn't actually a meteorite.http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2013/01/15/life_in_a_meteorite_claims_by_n_c_wickramasinghe_of_diatoms_in_a_meteorite.html  Where do I get the information that something is not there?  That's sort of a difficult question to answer.  I haven't any good evidence  that indicates there is extraterrestrial life, therefore I see no reason to believe in it.  It's not a source of information, but a lack of information.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017