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The rise of American authoritarianism

Started by jimmy olsen, March 02, 2016, 05:29:29 AM

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Valmy

#105
March 04, 2016, 02:58:16 PM
Guys. Guys.

Donald is not going to become Trumpator for life. Our population worships the Constitution, it would never happen.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

FunkMonk

#106
March 04, 2016, 03:14:13 PM
Quote from: celedhring on March 04, 2016, 06:51:05 AM
1. Nah, Trump can't win the nomination.
2. Nah, Trump can't win the general election.
3. Nah, a Trump presidency won't be able to do much.
4. Hey, I'm watching the Hunger Games tonight. I hope my district wins.

"what if Trump actually wins and things get so bad here Mexico builds the wall themselves"
Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.

Valmy

#107
March 04, 2016, 03:20:20 PM
Quote from: FunkMonk on March 04, 2016, 03:14:13 PM
"what if Trump actually wins and things get so bad here Mexico builds the wall themselves"

Woah. It all becomes so clear now. Mind blown.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

MadImmortalMan

#108
March 04, 2016, 03:23:37 PM
The plan is revealed.  :lol:
"Stability is destabilizing." --Hyman Minsky

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Norgy

#109
March 04, 2016, 03:29:58 PM
Well, it's not like any honest American knows how to build stuff anymore.

Razgovory

#110
March 04, 2016, 03:36:53 PM
Quote from: grumbler on March 04, 2016, 12:19:39 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on March 04, 2016, 11:34:15 AM
The people voting for him?

He has contempt for the people voting for him, just as every sane person does.  A trump presidency wouldn't be dangerous, because he isn't really interested in actually doing anything (let alone "cutting deals"), he is only interested in being someone that everyone talks about.  His presidency would be a constant trolling of the press, public, and politicians with goofy shit that has no chance of happening.  In other words, he would govern exactly as he promised to during the campaign, and would be the first president to actually do so.

Fortuantly the President is a powerless postion.  It's not like he has an army or something.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

viper37

#111
March 04, 2016, 03:55:06 PM
Quote from: Valmy on March 04, 2016, 02:58:16 PM
Guys. Guys.

Donald is not going to become Trumpator for life. Our population worships the Constitution, it would never happen.
He doesn't need to be POTUS for life to do tons of damages to both our economies.
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CountDeMoney

#112
March 04, 2016, 07:29:04 PM
Quote from: derspiess on March 04, 2016, 09:32:56 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on March 03, 2016, 11:31:26 PM
You really buy in to that "deal-maker-in-chief", bullshit don't you? :lol:

So you think he's some sort of ideologue then?  He'd sell out his party in a minute to cut a deal with the Dems to get something he wanted. 

This is part of what worries me about him.

But you both hate so many of the same people.

derspiess

#113
March 04, 2016, 07:52:04 PM
Who do I hate again? I keep forgetting.
"If you can play a guitar and harmonica at the same time, like Bob Dylan or Neil Young, you're a genius. But make that extra bit of effort and strap some cymbals to your knees, suddenly people want to get the hell away from you."  --Rich Hall

Ed Anger

#114
March 04, 2016, 07:53:44 PM
I'm voting trump in the general election. Just to see who leaves the country.
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grumbler

#115
March 04, 2016, 07:56:49 PM
Quote from: viper37 on March 04, 2016, 02:49:17 PM
Quote from: grumbler on March 03, 2016, 10:50:46 AM
Quote from: viper37 on March 03, 2016, 10:35:53 AM
Berlusconi was eventually stopped by Europe, and because of Europe, he could not go as far as Mussolini to begin with.  What is going to stop Trump?

The US federal government has checks and balances.  They are going to stop Trump well short of going as far as Mussolini.
Easy to circumvent with a Congress that has a Republican majority.
Then, it would be a matter of the Supreme court, and by the time he does something outrageous, it would be filled with people like him.

If you have people like Derspiess in the general population, willing to vote for Trump over anything the Democrat would propose, such people will eventually be found in Congress and higher.  And then, these people, faced with a choice of siding with a Democrat would chose the party over anything else, even if it's outrageous, thinking someone else will stop him eventually.

I'm going to quote this just so you can't claim you didn't write it.  It'll also be handy evidence to the contrary whenever any Canadian claims that Canadians generally know something about US politics.
The future is all around us, waiting, in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain.   -G'Kar

Bayraktar!

Razgovory

#116
March 04, 2016, 08:07:13 PM
Quote from: derspiess on March 04, 2016, 09:32:56 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on March 03, 2016, 11:31:26 PM
You really buy in to that "deal-maker-in-chief", bullshit don't you? :lol:

So you think he's some sort of ideologue then?  He'd sell out his party in a minute to cut a deal with the Dems to get something he wanted. 

This is part of what worries me about him.

Business deals and political deals aren't that similar.  He's gonna find that Senators and Representatives are not going to be dazzled into giving him what he wants.  And unlike business he can't just take his ball and go home or find a different senate to deal with.  Still, you attitude that he might make deals with Democrats (which is endemic in the Republican party), is the reason they are in this mess to begin with.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Razgovory

#117
March 04, 2016, 08:12:53 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on March 04, 2016, 07:53:44 PM
I'm voting trump in the general election. Just to see who leaves the country.

Well, you are the only one of us that has a house in France...
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Ed Anger

#118
March 04, 2016, 08:19:13 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on March 04, 2016, 08:12:53 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on March 04, 2016, 07:53:44 PM
I'm voting trump in the general election. Just to see who leaves the country.

Well, you are the only one of us that has a house in France...

:smug:
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Eddie Teach

#119
March 04, 2016, 08:21:45 PM
So Raz will call your neighbors in France and tell them all you voted for Trump.
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