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The rise of American authoritarianism

Started by jimmy olsen, March 02, 2016, 05:29:29 AM

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celedhring

1. Nah, Trump can't win the nomination.
2. Nah, Trump can't win the general election.
3. Nah, a Trump presidency won't be able to do much.
4. Hey, I'm watching the Hunger Games tonight. I hope my district wins.

DGuller

Quote from: derspiess on March 03, 2016, 05:24:21 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 03, 2016, 12:36:12 PM
What bothers me more than what a Trump presidency could mean to the US is what a Trump presidency says about us.

Meh.  I'm not out to impress anyone.
No shit.

Norgy

Could a bowl of cold soup possibly win the GOP nomination?

derspiess

Quote from: DGuller on March 04, 2016, 09:04:49 AM
Quote from: derspiess on March 03, 2016, 05:24:21 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 03, 2016, 12:36:12 PM
What bothers me more than what a Trump presidency could mean to the US is what a Trump presidency says about us.

Meh.  I'm not out to impress anyone.
No shit.

:hug:
"If you can play a guitar and harmonica at the same time, like Bob Dylan or Neil Young, you're a genius. But make that extra bit of effort and strap some cymbals to your knees, suddenly people want to get the hell away from you."  --Rich Hall

derspiess

Quote from: Norgy on March 04, 2016, 09:08:06 AM
Could a bowl of cold soup possibly win the GOP nomination?


Only if it brags a lot and makes outrageous promises.
"If you can play a guitar and harmonica at the same time, like Bob Dylan or Neil Young, you're a genius. But make that extra bit of effort and strap some cymbals to your knees, suddenly people want to get the hell away from you."  --Rich Hall

Valmy

Quote from: derspiess on March 04, 2016, 09:29:55 AM
Quote from: Norgy on March 04, 2016, 09:08:06 AM
Could a bowl of cold soup possibly win the GOP nomination?


Only if it brags a lot and makes outrageous promises.

And says what we are all thinking.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

derspiess

Quote from: Razgovory on March 03, 2016, 11:31:26 PM
You really buy in to that "deal-maker-in-chief", bullshit don't you? :lol:

So you think he's some sort of ideologue then?  He'd sell out his party in a minute to cut a deal with the Dems to get something he wanted. 

This is part of what worries me about him. 
"If you can play a guitar and harmonica at the same time, like Bob Dylan or Neil Young, you're a genius. But make that extra bit of effort and strap some cymbals to your knees, suddenly people want to get the hell away from you."  --Rich Hall

Norgy

Quote from: Valmy on March 04, 2016, 09:31:31 AM
Quote from: derspiess on March 04, 2016, 09:29:55 AM
Quote from: Norgy on March 04, 2016, 09:08:06 AM
Could a bowl of cold soup possibly win the GOP nomination?


Only if it brags a lot and makes outrageous promises.

And says what we are all thinking.

"Goddamn Mexicans stealing our sunglasses"? :unsure:

Valmy

Quote from: derspiess on March 04, 2016, 09:32:56 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on March 03, 2016, 11:31:26 PM
You really buy in to that "deal-maker-in-chief", bullshit don't you? :lol:

So you think he's some sort of ideologue then?  He'd sell out his party in a minute to cut a deal with the Dems to get something he wanted. 

This is part of what worries me about him. 

I don't see any particular reason he would feel any loyalty to the Republicans at all. Well except for Chris Christie.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

Eddie Teach

Quote from: Valmy on March 04, 2016, 09:37:15 AM
Quote from: derspiess on March 04, 2016, 09:32:56 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on March 03, 2016, 11:31:26 PM
You really buy in to that "deal-maker-in-chief", bullshit don't you? :lol:

So you think he's some sort of ideologue then?  He'd sell out his party in a minute to cut a deal with the Dems to get something he wanted. 

This is part of what worries me about him. 

I don't see any particular reason he would feel any loyalty to the Republicans at all. Well except for Chris Christie.

The people voting for him?
To sleep, perchance to dream. But in that sleep of death, what dreams may come?

Valmy

Quote from: Peter Wiggin on March 04, 2016, 11:34:15 AM
The people voting for him?

I haven't noticed the party machine people lining up to vote for him.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

grumbler

Quote from: Peter Wiggin on March 04, 2016, 11:34:15 AM
The people voting for him?

He has contempt for the people voting for him, just as every sane person does.  A trump presidency wouldn't be dangerous, because he isn't really interested in actually doing anything (let alone "cutting deals"), he is only interested in being someone that everyone talks about.  His presidency would be a constant trolling of the press, public, and politicians with goofy shit that has no chance of happening.  In other words, he would govern exactly as he promised to during the campaign, and would be the first president to actually do so.
The future is all around us, waiting, in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain.   -G'Kar

Bayraktar!

Norgy

You know what, I think you are right.

crazy canuck

Quote from: celedhring on March 04, 2016, 06:51:05 AM
1. Nah, Trump can't win the nomination.
2. Nah, Trump can't win the general election.
3. Nah, a Trump presidency won't be able to do much.
4. Hey, I'm watching the Hunger Games tonight. I hope my district wins.

:lol:

viper37

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Quote from: grumbler on March 03, 2016, 10:50:46 AM
Quote from: viper37 on March 03, 2016, 10:35:53 AM
Berlusconi was eventually stopped by Europe, and because of Europe, he could not go as far as Mussolini to begin with.  What is going to stop Trump?

The US federal government has checks and balances.  They are going to stop Trump well short of going as far as Mussolini.
Easy to circumvent with a Congress that has a Republican majority.
Then, it would be a matter of the Supreme court, and by the time he does something outrageous, it would be filled with people like him.

If you have people like Derspiess in the general population, willing to vote for Trump over anything the Democrat would propose, such people will eventually be found in Congress and higher.  And then, these people, faced with a choice of siding with a Democrat would chose the party over anything else, even if it's outrageous, thinking someone else will stop him eventually.
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