Brexit and the waning days of the United Kingdom

[CountDeMoney]

As I say may just be nonsense but I thought maybe because insurance is linked to the employer (right?) and would imagine that would have an effect on at least speculative moves?

It's not nonsense;  it's part of the whole "employment compensation" thingy.  Yes, even with Obamacare, which isn't always the best option.

The main driver of where people have to live is still based on employment; most people go where the jobs are, not necessarily where they want to be.  Unless you're Berkut and you have a 0% unemployment rate wherever you go. 

[Jacob]

Is Corbyn doing the right thing/much of anything?

Sorry, should have put it as "the right thing". I think he's pretty convinced he's doing the right thing, yeah.

[grumbler]

Interesting video 

Indeed.  It demonstrated that the vote (like the US Presidential votes) isn't about the issues, but abut the anger. "We voted for change."  Indeed.  Not change for themselves, because their situation won't change.  But at least the smug bastards can get dragged down closer to their level.  It's a lot like Appalachia.

I'm not sure there is an answer for this.  Cheap labor might attract investment, but their labor wouldn't be cheap.  Subsidizing jobs might work for a while, but would probably be more expensive than just letting them "rot" on the dole, and couldn't be sustained at the level necessary to give careers.  And people like this won't move away to places where job prospects are higher, because the roots of people like this run deeper than for better-educated and more wealthy people.

[OttoVonBismarck]

Appalachian white trash are a good example of people with deep roots and systemic poverty. Almost all of their lives would be dramatically better if the large portion of the population that cannot be gainfully employed in Appalachia (which is mostly devoid of serious economic activity) would move elsewhere, but they're like some sort of invasive parasite or weed that ain't going anywhere. You'd more or less need to napalm those hilljacks out of their hollers.

[LaCroix]

maybe the video later shows better evidence of its assertion that immigration wasn't the main cause, but I closed it at the 3:50 mark when the lady offered a weak excuse for the immigration comments. seemed like she was projecting her own rationale for her bitterness onto these people. guy first mentioned immigration. she then brought up the decimated industries, had him latch onto it, then aggressively asserted immigration is fine and got him to agree--after she'd befriended him by that point. with this encounter, she tries to convince the audience that decimated industries, not immigration, were what angered everyone into voting for brexit. she comes off as just a nutty leftist who thinks everyone is too

[Admiral Yi]

Making my way through Shelf's video.  Reminds me of Peedy's sig about thinking you know something you don't.

[Richard Hakluyt]

Interesting video 

Indeed.  It demonstrated that the vote (like the US Presidential votes) isn't about the issues, but abut the anger. "We voted for change."  Indeed.  Not change for themselves, because their situation won't change.  But at least the smug bastards can get dragged down closer to their level.  It's a lot like Appalachia.

I'm not sure there is an answer for this.  Cheap labor might attract investment, but their labor wouldn't be cheap.  Subsidizing jobs might work for a while, but would probably be more expensive than just letting them "rot" on the dole, and couldn't be sustained at the level necessary to give careers.  And people like this won't move away to places where job prospects are higher, because the roots of people like this run deeper than for better-educated and more wealthy people.

Stainforth is in Ed Milliband's constituency btw. Labour got 52% of the vote there even in the recent disastrous General Election.

Paradoxically one of the problems these areas have is a shortage of labour. Plenty of "gissa job" types, but the more dynamic elements of the population have moved elsewhere; a new business would probably have to import managers and skilled staff.............easier to set up shop in Leeds or Manchester.

[Habbaku]

Plenty of "gissa job" types

  Please tell me you're referencing this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2inSqo3Q3c

[Richard Hakluyt]

Plenty of "gissa job" types

  Please tell me you're referencing this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2inSqo3Q3c

Of course 

[celedhring]

Boys from the Blackstuff is pretty great. I needed subtitles to understand it though 

[Richard Hakluyt]

The lack of jobs is also much exaggerated, as can be seen from the labour participation rates in the various regions of the country :

http://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/employmentandemployeetypes/compendium/participationratesintheuklabourmarket/2015-03-19/participationratesintheuk20141overview#regional-and-international-comparisons

I think part of the problem is that in a digital world it is easy for envy to take root. The tabloids continually run stories on the doings of the rich and famous, it makes a modest income in Doncaster look small, even though they are doing well above the average in a global sense. UK minimum wage is £7.20 an hour and these places are cheap to live in by British standards.

[Josquius]

Certainly true that celebrity culture is a major problem. Especially with all these people who are famous just for being famous. Way too many kids when asked what they want to be as an adult say "a celebrity".
You don't seem to get this to the same extent in many other European countries.  But then it helps that opportunities for the young are better and clearer.

But no. Unemployment is bad.
Do note that map days 75% unemployment on a regional level.... doesn't help some kid out in Bishop Auckland that there are all these jobs in Newcastle. Even going to interviews can be a very expensive process.

Appalachian white trash are a good example of people with deep roots and systemic poverty. Almost all of their lives would be dramatically better if the large portion of the population that cannot be gainfully employed in Appalachia (which is mostly devoid of serious economic activity) would move elsewhere, but they're like some sort of invasive parasite or weed that ain't going anywhere. You'd more or less need to napalm those hilljacks out of their hollers.

On your bike is easier said than done.
You've no job, no savings, no support structure away from you home town.... so youre expected to just up and move to the big  city? Sleep on the streets until you find a job and get your first months pay?
I had this problem myself when I left university. I was effectively a prisoner in my hometown.  Of course I was never going to find a job there, not even part time crap in a shop, but I couldn't afford to just move.

And that's not considering that people might have mortgages, kids in school, elderly relatives to care for, etc...

[garbon]

I'm glad in this time of strife that Britain is taking the time to spend time discussing the report findings on events that took place over a decade ago. Pretty important stuff.

[CountDeMoney]

I'm glad in this time of strife that Britain is taking the time to spend time discussing the report findings on events that took place over a decade ago. Pretty important stuff.

Unlike the United States, it seems they actually want to know why they went headlong into a bullshit war.

[Richard Hakluyt]

So far the only strife I've seen is on the internet. Preston is carrying on as normal, nobody is talking about it in the street. Is it the same for other residents of Britain who frequent this board?