Brexit and the waning days of the United Kingdom

[Josquius]

It's definitely correct that london is the richest region in Europe whilst much of the country is more on a par with Eastern Europe.

Oddly it doesn't show that. It shows that most of the rest of the UK is on the part with the non-capital regions of France.

It also shows that in most countries, you can see the capital region outperforming the surrounding areas.

Why do you think it doesn't show that?

It's a well known pattern that capitals tend to suck in wealth from their nation. Looking back through history exceptions tend to be rare. It is also pretty well known however that the modern UK takes this to extremes, with for instance our missing second city.

[garbon]

It's definitely correct that london is the richest region in Europe whilst much of the country is more on a par with Eastern Europe.

Oddly it doesn't show that. It shows that most of the rest of the UK is on the part with the non-capital regions of France.

It also shows that in most countries, you can see the capital region outperforming the surrounding areas.

Why do you think it doesn't show that?

It's a well known pattern that capitals tend to suck in wealth from their nation. Looking back through history exceptions tend to be rare. It is also pretty well known however that the modern UK takes this to extremes, with for instance our missing second city.

Because the UK shading outside London mostly doesn't match eastern Europe.

[celedhring]

I just checked Eurostat and a couple regions in Spain (Aragon and Murcia) should be a shade lighter. I guess there might be some small mistakes in other countries too.

[Josquius]

It's definitely correct that london is the richest region in Europe whilst much of the country is more on a par with Eastern Europe.

Oddly it doesn't show that. It shows that most of the rest of the UK is on the part with the non-capital regions of France.

It also shows that in most countries, you can see the capital region outperforming the surrounding areas.

Why do you think it doesn't show that?

It's a well known pattern that capitals tend to suck in wealth from their nation. Looking back through history exceptions tend to be rare. It is also pretty well known however that the modern UK takes this to extremes, with for instance our missing second city.

Because the UK shading outside London mostly doesn't match eastern Europe.

I didn't say that though. I said more akin to eastern europe than to London. East Germany is a good analogue. Many of the richer parts of eastern europe are pulling ahead of the poorer parts of the UK now.

The centre for cities data is pretty good for this. It analyses which cities are close analogues for each other. For instance.
https://www.centreforcities.org/competing-with-the-continent/factsheets/sunderland/

[garbon]

Oh okay so just hyperbole, that makes it better.

[Razgovory]

Mississippi has an infant mortality rate of 8.8 and a life expectancy of 74.7 years. The UK has an infant mortality rate of 3.8 and a life expectancy of 80.96 years. GDP is a useful measure but is often overused when looking at people's welfare.

The people of the UK have other advantages over the people of Mississippi.  Most notably they aren't living in fucking Mississippi.

[Legbiter]

Also, Germany is a lot more decentralized than many other countries with notable centers of value creation spread more throughout.

Interesting that the old Holy Roman Empire is now the economic powerhouse of Europe while the old highly-centralised states, that used to bully the HRE, lag behind 

Holy Roman Empire, European disunion done right. 

[Maladict]

Or Milan being the economic capital of Italy.  Venetia does very well too.
Rome, even the Latium thanks to Rome, is still way ahead of the South, which sometimes includes Rome.

Not if you ask a Roman. 

I wonder if the cases of Germany and Italy are also influenced by them unifying only after industrialization was well underway.

[Duque de Bragança]

Or Milan being the economic capital of Italy.  Venetia does very well too.
Rome, even the Latium thanks to Rome, is still way ahead of the South, which sometimes includes Rome.

Not if you ask a Roman. 

Nobody in Rome wants to be part of the Mezzogiorno indeed. Never said Romans wanted to be included in it. Of course, Padanians like to include Rome in the South. 

[Zanza]

Northern Italy has been among the richest regions in Europe since the Middle Ages, so that's not really new.

[Tamas]

Since the referendum, the EU has made a trade deal with Australia, a MASSIVE free trade one with Japan, and now apparently an even bigger one with 4 South American countries. And we are leaving because the evil EU wouldn't let us trade freely with the world. 

[Josquius]

Remember though what the average voter thinks that means.
They literally think we aren't allowed to buy things from China.

[The Brain]

Since the referendum, the EU has made a trade deal with Australia, a MASSIVE free trade one with Japan, and now apparently an even bigger one with 4 South American countries. And we are leaving because the evil EU wouldn't let us trade freely with the world. 

Well in fairness I'd rather live on my feet than die on my knees.

[Zanza]

Farage and his posse of assclowns turned their back on the musicians when the European Anthem (from Beethoven's 9th symphony) was played in the opening session of the European Parliament. Such class and tact. One comment I read was: "Brexiters looking back while the rest of Europe looks forward."

[Admiral Yi]

What's the deal with the folks sitting down?