Brexit and the waning days of the United Kingdom

[garbon]

Theresa May is truly at the end now, I think.

Yesterday she made a speech about her changes to the withdrawal agreement bill. She basically added everything anybody ever wanted (second referendum, "alternative backstop" customs union, no customs union, etc), each in a "maybe we will do this" manner.

These would have been extremely vague promises even from a trustworthy person, with her zero credibility they were less than nothing.

Predictably, none of these "concessions" were enough for those who were supposed to like them, but infuriated those who do not like them. So her big manuever ended up putting her in a worse position than she was the day previous.

I think it is high time she is replaced. Even if we end up with a hardline PM, at least it could (well, should) rally the forces of sanity to unite and make some decisive steps. Because now her inaction and inability keeps everyone in a waiting stance.

You made a mistake. She detailed changes to her Wab.

/how nauseating that this has gone on enough that we now have slang for these terms.

[Tamas]

Yes. The referendum was in 2016. It won by what, 3%? Surely the result has expired now?

[Duque de Bragança]

Yes. The referendum was in 2016. It won by what, 3%? Surely the result has expired now?

The people has spoken! 

Didn't she propose a new referendum for the referendum btw?   

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-05-21/cabinet-set-for-showdown-as-may-presses-for-deal-brexit-update

[Tamas]

No its a vote on having a second referendum

And it may cost her her job tonight. According to rumours a major cabinet revolt (what a congregation of giants!) is brewing and she might not survive the night.

[mongers]

Pitiful behaviour by some Westminster politicians this afternoon and evening. 

[Richard Hakluyt]

Pitiful behaviour by some Westminster politicians this afternoon and evening. 

I don't think we are going to get out of this until new worthwhile parties have arisen or the two majors have been forced to do some major soulsearching. Until we change tack we are on the same course that leads to Argentina or even Venezuela; at some point the nation has to say enough.

[mongers]

Pitiful behaviour by some Westminster politicians this afternoon and evening. 

I don't think we are going to get out of this until new worthwhile parties have arisen or the two majors have been forced to do some major soulsearching. Until we change tack we are on the same course that leads to Argentina or even Venezuela; at some point the nation has to say enough.

I don't disagree, though I think it's quite possible for both major parties to reform themselves, they, as you say, just need to decide what they are about, rather than these extreme ideologies of Corbynism or rabid anti-Europeanism.

Sadly the vast majority of the population don't understand the unpleasant possibilities the future might have in store for us.

[The Brain]

Pitiful behaviour by some Westminster politicians this afternoon and evening. 

I don't think we are going to get out of this until new worthwhile parties have arisen or the two majors have been forced to do some major soulsearching. Until we change tack we are on the same course that leads to Argentina or even Venezuela; at some point the nation has to say enough.

The UK is going south?

[Razgovory]

Does this Brexit thing constitute a constitutional crisis in the UK?

[Tamas]

Does this Brexit thing constitute a constitutional crisis in the UK?

You can't have a constitutional crisis without a constitution.

[garbon]

Leadsom has resigned.

[garbon]

In other news:

Nigel Farage's Brexit Party rally in turmoil as 'protesters turn up holding milkshakes'

[celedhring]

I'm reading that May is quitting tomorrow? What's the most likely scenario after that? Some hardcore brexiter taking over and forcing a hard brexit? Parliament rallying around *something* to prevent that from happening? Cats and dogs sleeping together?

[Tamas]

I'm reading that May is quitting tomorrow? What's the most likely scenario after that? Some hardcore brexiter taking over and forcing a hard brexit? Parliament rallying around *something* to prevent that from happening? Cats and dogs sleeping together?

It seems like absolutely everyone of any weight and influence have given up on her. Probably because right after she announced she'd leave, the vicious internal fight to succeed her has started, and after several months and with no end in sight, the pressure and anticipation is just too big.

But, she'll probably had to be dragged out of the office by soldiers sent by the Queen.

Seriously though, I assume the Tories don't mind her taking the fall for the terrible election results they are going to suffer today, so it makes sense to see proper efforts of ousting her happening tomorrow.

[Tamas]

I wonder if Penny Mordaunt will be knife-fighting to succeed May:




Last week's Economist campaigned for her heavily. She is a militaristic (ex-navy I think?) Brexiter so what could possibly go wrong?