Brexit and the waning days of the United Kingdom

Started by Josquius, February 20, 2016, 07:46:34 AM

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How would you vote on Britain remaining in the EU?

British- Remain
12 (12%)
British - Leave
7 (7%)
Other European - Remain
21 (21%)
Other European - Leave
6 (6%)
ROTW - Remain
34 (34%)
ROTW - Leave
20 (20%)

Total Members Voted: 98

Josquius

I voted.
I went with...Lib Dems.

In the North East we have only 3 seats.
I remain annoyed that the Greens and Change are running and didn't at least sit out this one. I figure the Lib Dems are the best option of the 3 to give a solid anti-fascist message. If I lived in the South East I may have voted Green instead.
I predict 1 seat each for Labour, Lib Dem, and Farage Inc.
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Richard Hakluyt

I shall vote Lib-Dem; though that is my usual choice so no change there.

The number of people intending to vote Lib-Dem is putting pressure on the Labour party :

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/may/18/labour-panic-remain-voters-switch-to-lib-dems

If they chose to ditch the magic grandpa and commit to remain they would probably walk the next general election and have a chance to implement some much needed social democratic policies. I'm not holding my breath though. As things stand there is a possibility that, with the fptp system as it is, the Brexit party could win a landslide in the next general election. I expect the tories to circumvent this by electing a rabid leaver (fake or genuine) as their next leader.


celedhring

Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on May 19, 2019, 01:27:07 AM
As things stand there is a possibility that, with the fptp system as it is, the Brexit party could win a landslide in the next general election. I expect the tories to circumvent this by electing a rabid leaver (fake or genuine) as their next leader.

Ugh. Looks like fun times in Albion.


celedhring

Just found out there's a British expat anti-Brexit party running for the European election in Spain. Heh.


Josquius

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Proud to be geordie today



Apparently the milkshake was from 5 guys which adds even more to my displeasure at the waste. That place is so expensive I've never even been.  Nonetheless the video amuses me. Particularly with sound
https://splinternews.com/this-is-the-greatest-thing-happening-in-politics-today-1834888289
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Tamas

QuoteNigel Farage has insisted that his Brexit party does not accept donations in foreign currency as the Electoral Commission prepares to visit its offices as part of a funding review.


Cheap excuses like that shows you he IS funded from shady sources. As if the currency of the transaction is the real issue, come on.

Maladict

Quote from: Tyr on May 20, 2019, 05:59:51 PM
Apparently the milkshake was from 5 guys which adds even more to my displeasure at the waste. That place is so expensive I've never even been. 

I heard people rave about it and caved under group pressure. Turns out it's utter shit like all the other chains, and very expensive.

garbon

Quote from: Maladict on May 21, 2019, 07:33:53 AM
Quote from: Tyr on May 20, 2019, 05:59:51 PM
Apparently the milkshake was from 5 guys which adds even more to my displeasure at the waste. That place is so expensive I've never even been. 

I heard people rave about it and caved under group pressure. Turns out it's utter shit like all the other chains, and very expensive.


Sounds like you went there with the wrong mindset.
"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."
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grumbler

Quote from: garbon on May 21, 2019, 07:50:11 AM
Quote from: Maladict on May 21, 2019, 07:33:53 AM
I heard people rave about it and caved under group pressure. Turns out it's utter shit like all the other chains, and very expensive.


Sounds like you went there with the wrong mindset.

Or the right mindset, if his goal was to be able to pronounce the place "utter shit."  Don't underestimate the pleasure some people get from sneering.
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Maladict

I certainly wasn't expecting to be impressed. But for that price, I was expecting more than the average McDonalds/Burger King fare. Which it wasn't.

mongers

One of the touchstones of the Brexiters is 'Britain is the world's 5th largest economy, the world will rush to us to make trade deals, blah, blah, etc ...'

Funny how there's no mention of us also being the world's 4th largest food importer and we're about to conduct an experiment with those supplies and untried border procedures.  :hmm:
"We have it in our power to begin the world over again"

Richard Hakluyt

They do love their 5th largest economy fact.

It also has the benefit of being more or less true. I wonder, though, how many who spout that fact realise that the 5th largest economy is only one seventh the size of the largest?

celedhring

Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on May 22, 2019, 01:58:27 AM
They do love their 5th largest economy fact.

It also has the benefit of being more or less true. I wonder, though, how many who spout that fact realise that the 5th largest economy is only one seventh the size of the largest?

Yeah, nowadays being the fifth largest economy seems to me akin as having the 5th largest pre-dreadnought navy in the 1910s. The big guys can manhandle you easily.

Tamas

Theresa May is truly at the end now, I think.

Yesterday she made a speech about her changes to the withdrawal agreement bill. She basically added everything anybody ever wanted (second referendum, "alternative backstop" customs union, no customs union, etc), each in a "maybe we will do this" manner.

These would have been extremely vague promises even from a trustworthy person, with her zero credibility they were less than nothing.

Predictably, none of these "concessions" were enough for those who were supposed to like them, but infuriated those who do not like them. So her big manuever ended up putting her in a worse position than she was the day previous.

I think it is high time she is replaced. Even if we end up with a hardline PM, at least it could (well, should) rally the forces of sanity to unite and make some decisive steps. Because now her inaction and inability keeps everyone in a waiting stance.

Maladict

Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on May 22, 2019, 01:58:27 AM
They do love their 5th largest economy fact.

It also has the benefit of being more or less true. I wonder, though, how many who spout that fact realise that the 5th largest economy is only one seventh the size of the largest?

Or that they're part of the second largest economy, but adamant about leaving it.