Brexit and the waning days of the United Kingdom

Started by Josquius, February 20, 2016, 07:46:34 AM

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How would you vote on Britain remaining in the EU?

British- Remain
12 (12%)
British - Leave
7 (7%)
Other European - Remain
21 (21%)
Other European - Leave
6 (6%)
ROTW - Remain
34 (34%)
ROTW - Leave
20 (20%)

Total Members Voted: 98

mongers

I'm going to attempt to watch this evening's news, wish me luck.  :bowler:
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Tamas

Quote from: Tyr on March 13, 2019, 04:13:50 PM

Mays deal is hard brexit.


Actually, no. May's deal means a situation equal to soft Brexit minus freedom of movement until the impossible situation of decoupling Britain from the customs union without introducing a hard border in Ireland can be achieved i.e. forever.

Valmy

No deal would violate the Good Friday Agreement. Seems like that would be a big deal to somebody in Britain.
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Josquius

QuoteNo deal would violate the Good Friday Agreement. Seems like that would be a big deal to somebody in Britain.
You'd think that....But we're pretty blaise on Ireland.

Its weird but I guess we have to hope for a few more IRA bombs; hopefully some nice big ones that make a shiny bang for the TV cameras but avoid hurting anyone.


Quote from: Tamas on March 13, 2019, 04:48:39 PM
Quote from: Tyr on March 13, 2019, 04:13:50 PM

Mays deal is hard brexit.


Actually, no. May's deal means a situation equal to soft Brexit minus freedom of movement until the impossible situation of decoupling Britain from the customs union without introducing a hard border in Ireland can be achieved i.e. forever.

Trashing freedom of movement is hard brexit in my book.
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Tamas

I guess those mail bombs didn't go unnoticed, they are sending one of the Bloody Sunday soldiers in front of a court.

celedhring

So it looks like an amendment for a second referendum has been tabled. I guess it won't pass at this point yet? Although it will be interesting to see what support it gets.

mongers

For those who haven't heard, next week she's definitely going to have a third go at getting her deal through.

At this state I can't decide if that's Sisyphean or the actions of a dung beetle?
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Tamas

Quote from: mongers on March 14, 2019, 09:38:15 AM
For those who haven't heard, next week she's definitely going to have a third go at getting her deal through.

At this state I can't decide if that's Sisyphean or the actions of a dung beetle?

Realistically though, what other option does she have? Even in case of a second referendum, what would the options be?

Barrister

Quote from: Tamas on March 14, 2019, 10:08:02 AM
Quote from: mongers on March 14, 2019, 09:38:15 AM
For those who haven't heard, next week she's definitely going to have a third go at getting her deal through.

At this state I can't decide if that's Sisyphean or the actions of a dung beetle?

Realistically though, what other option does she have? Even in case of a second referendum, what would the options be?

[ ]   Hard Brexit
[ ]   Continued EU membership
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Tamas

Quote from: Barrister on March 14, 2019, 10:12:47 AM
Quote from: Tamas on March 14, 2019, 10:08:02 AM
Quote from: mongers on March 14, 2019, 09:38:15 AM
For those who haven't heard, next week she's definitely going to have a third go at getting her deal through.

At this state I can't decide if that's Sisyphean or the actions of a dung beetle?

Realistically though, what other option does she have? Even in case of a second referendum, what would the options be?

[ ]   Hard Brexit
[ ]   Continued EU membership

By hard Brexit I guess you mean no deal.

Fair enough. But of course politically it is not possible because everyone who is not Theresa May would be claiming that they could make a deal that would deliver absolutely everything, if only they have (had) the chance. Same way Labour is doing right now.


Tamas

QuoteThe DUP leader, Arlene Foster, has signalled her party is ready to do a deal to end the Brexit impasse, saying that the prime minister must prove only that the constitutional integrity of the UK would be preserved

Oh FFS the whole backstop mysery is in order to preserve the integrity. If the DUP wasn't the de facto coalition partner, there would be a border on on the Irish Sea already between NI and the rest of the UK to get around all this crap.

But it does seem like she is getting ready to fold.

viper37

Brexit with deal: NO!
Brexit no deal: NO!
Second referendum: NO!

a bit hard to follow this chaps.
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Barrister

Quote from: viper37 on March 14, 2019, 01:10:34 PM
Brexit with deal: NO!
Brexit no deal: NO!
Second referendum: NO!

a bit hard to follow this chaps.

Corbyn (and Labour) seem to be actively trying to trigger a no deal Brexit, but have the Conservatives take the blame for it.
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Zanza



Good thing Cameron held the referendum to settle this controversial topic once and for all.  :bowler: