Brexit and the waning days of the United Kingdom

[Zanza]

One side knows exactly what they want. The other side is poorly prepared and has to rely on detailed dossiers with their negotiation position. Right?

[The Minsky Moment]

Crappy conference room.

[Ed Anger]

Needs more PowerPoint.

[alfred russel]

Needs more diversity. Surely the EU and UK have more than white people in boring clothes with boring haircuts.

Creepy ass crackers.

[Tamas]

I must say I am very annoyed by the EU side still pushing for ECJ jurisdiction over EU citizens in the UK post-Brexit.

That is a totally unrealistic expectation, and also an irrelevant one: first of all the UK would keep to the agreed conditions I think, and if not, they will surely not bother post-Brexit with what opinion the ECJ has over it. How would they enforce it if the ECJ disallowed a change in British laws freezing EU citizens in second-class status? Invade the island?

[mongers]

[Tamas]

Project Fear!!!!!

[Josquius]

I read today things were looking good for a transition deal.
Step by step hopefully we will reach  a Swiss agreement at worst. Hope for the best, prepare for the worst

[Zanza]

I must say I am very annoyed by the EU side still pushing for ECJ jurisdiction over EU citizens in the UK post-Brexit.

That is a totally unrealistic expectation, and also an irrelevant one: first of all the UK would keep to the agreed conditions I think, and if not, they will surely not bother post-Brexit with what opinion the ECJ has over it. How would they enforce it if the ECJ disallowed a change in British laws freezing EU citizens in second-class status? Invade the island?

Yes, that does not make any sense. Just as silly as Britain leaving Euratom over ECJ jurisdiction.

[Tamas]

Looks like Labour is very much divided on the free market and customs union issue.

Particularly funny is that the hard Brexit Tories don't want the EU meddling in their trade deals because they don't want limits on the the free trade agreement they'd make with the USA. The Labour hard Brexiters don't want EU meddling in the future free trade deal with the USA because they think the EU would not be limiting enough (in agriculture in particular).

[Zanza]

That's actually why a trade deal between the UK and EU is so complicated. At the moment, the UK and the EU have 100% convergence on regulations that are in the EU's responsibility. All trade deals in the history of the EU have always been about increasing convergence whether internally (Single European Act) or externally (every single FTA concluded). The UK however wants to increase divergence from existing regulation - presumably to gain competitive advantage in international trade ("Global Britain"). So what's in there for the EU if the UK only plans to diverge ever more after a "comprehensive deal" has been agreed in the next years?

[Tamas]

That's actually why a trade deal between the UK and EU is so complicated. At the moment, the UK and the EU have 100% convergence on regulations that are in the EU's responsibility. All trade deals in the history of the EU have always been about increasing convergence whether internally (Single European Act) or externally (every single FTA concluded). The UK however wants to increase divergence from existing regulation - presumably to gain competitive advantage in international trade ("Global Britain"). So what's in there for the EU if the UK only plans to diverge ever more after a "comprehensive deal" has been agreed in the next years?

All I know is that both the Tories and the Labour party want a deal where we enjoy similar benefits to the single market and the customs union, without being tied down by membership in either.

So, the British position is clear, now it is up to the EU to make this happen!!!

[derspiess]

[Valmy]

Ok you need to stop that.

[derspiess]

Okay.  That's all for today.