Brexit and the waning days of the United Kingdom

Started by Josquius, February 20, 2016, 07:46:34 AM

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How would you vote on Britain remaining in the EU?

British- Remain
12 (12%)
British - Leave
7 (7%)
Other European - Remain
21 (21%)
Other European - Leave
6 (6%)
ROTW - Remain
34 (34%)
ROTW - Leave
20 (20%)

Total Members Voted: 98

Josquius

Denmark is also way up there.
I had understood in the days since joining the EU they had drifted away from the uk economically somewhat?
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garbon

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/apr/27/eu-to-debate-recognising-united-ireland-to-allow-swift-return-for-north

QuoteEuropean leaders may be preparing to recognise a united Ireland, in a declaration that would pave the way for the north to swiftly rejoin the European Union. At their first Brexit summit on Saturday, the EU's 27 leaders are expected to discuss a text stating that if Ireland unified, the north would automatically become part of the EU.

The inclusion of the text is a victory for the Irish government, which had pressed for the inclusion of a "GDR clause", a reference to the integration of the former east German state into the European Community after the fall of the Berlin wall. The declaration is bound to raise fears that Brexit could trigger the unravelling of the UK, although there is no majority in Northern Ireland for unification.

I get that there is bad blood with Brexit but I hope they don't actually agree to put forth such a statement. No one really served by heating up the Troubles.
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The Larch

I don't think it's about bad blood, but about the Republic of Ireland "paving the way" for a highly hypothetical reunification with Northern Ireland, should that scenario take place.

grumbler

Such a declaration would be irresponsible.  It would be essentially telling the Catholic minority in NI that they will be rewarded if they achieve unification, even if by violence.  Let sleeping dogs lie.
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garbon

Quote from: The Larch on April 28, 2017, 06:41:22 AM
I don't think it's about bad blood, but about the Republic of Ireland "paving the way" for a highly hypothetical reunification with Northern Ireland, should that scenario take place.

Basically what grumbler said though. It would be making it attractive to actually push (by any means) to unify Ireland.
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I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.

celedhring

Given precedent, I think it's hard for the EU to say the contrary. Ireland probably should have been smarter than to bring this up, though.  :hmm:

The Larch

Quote from: garbon on April 28, 2017, 06:50:08 AM
Quote from: The Larch on April 28, 2017, 06:41:22 AM
I don't think it's about bad blood, but about the Republic of Ireland "paving the way" for a highly hypothetical reunification with Northern Ireland, should that scenario take place.

Basically what grumbler said though. It would be making it attractive to actually push (by any means) to unify Ireland.

If you really think that the EU is going to encourage violence in order to get Ireland unified you're reaching Daily Mail levels of delusion.

garbon

Quote from: The Larch on April 28, 2017, 07:12:00 AM
Quote from: garbon on April 28, 2017, 06:50:08 AM
Quote from: The Larch on April 28, 2017, 06:41:22 AM
I don't think it's about bad blood, but about the Republic of Ireland "paving the way" for a highly hypothetical reunification with Northern Ireland, should that scenario take place.

Basically what grumbler said though. It would be making it attractive to actually push (by any means) to unify Ireland.

If you really think that the EU is going to encourage violence in order to get Ireland unified you're reaching Daily Mail levels of delusion.

I don't think the EU is meaning to encourage that (willfully encouraging that) but that will be an unintended consequence of pushing through such a statement.

So you can fuck right off with your assumptions of me being delusional. You could just act civilized and not jump to the stupidest conclusion. Actually, I'm not sure if you are able. :hmm:
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The Larch

Quote from: garbon on April 28, 2017, 07:15:09 AM
Quote from: The Larch on April 28, 2017, 07:12:00 AM
Quote from: garbon on April 28, 2017, 06:50:08 AM
Quote from: The Larch on April 28, 2017, 06:41:22 AM
I don't think it's about bad blood, but about the Republic of Ireland "paving the way" for a highly hypothetical reunification with Northern Ireland, should that scenario take place.

Basically what grumbler said though. It would be making it attractive to actually push (by any means) to unify Ireland.

If you really think that the EU is going to encourage violence in order to get Ireland unified you're reaching Daily Mail levels of delusion.

I don't think the EU is meaning to encourage that (willfully encouraging that) but that will be an unintended consequence of pushing through such a statement.

So you can fuck right off with your assumptions of me being delusional. You could just act civilized and not jump to the stupidest conclusion. Actually, I'm not sure if you are able. :hmm:


garbon

"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."
I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.

garbon

Quote from: The Larch on April 28, 2017, 07:32:39 AM
Quote from: garbon on April 28, 2017, 07:15:09 AM
Quote from: The Larch on April 28, 2017, 07:12:00 AM
Quote from: garbon on April 28, 2017, 06:50:08 AM
Quote from: The Larch on April 28, 2017, 06:41:22 AM
I don't think it's about bad blood, but about the Republic of Ireland "paving the way" for a highly hypothetical reunification with Northern Ireland, should that scenario take place.

Basically what grumbler said though. It would be making it attractive to actually push (by any means) to unify Ireland.

If you really think that the EU is going to encourage violence in order to get Ireland unified you're reaching Daily Mail levels of delusion.

I don't think the EU is meaning to encourage that (willfully encouraging that) but that will be an unintended consequence of pushing through such a statement.

So you can fuck right off with your assumptions of me being delusional. You could just act civilized and not jump to the stupidest conclusion. Actually, I'm not sure if you are able. :hmm:

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I'm perfectly serene, darling.
"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."
I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.

The Larch

Quote from: garbon on April 28, 2017, 07:34:26 AM
Quote from: The Larch on April 28, 2017, 07:32:39 AM
Quote from: garbon on April 28, 2017, 07:15:09 AM
Quote from: The Larch on April 28, 2017, 07:12:00 AM
Quote from: garbon on April 28, 2017, 06:50:08 AM
Quote from: The Larch on April 28, 2017, 06:41:22 AM
I don't think it's about bad blood, but about the Republic of Ireland "paving the way" for a highly hypothetical reunification with Northern Ireland, should that scenario take place.

Basically what grumbler said though. It would be making it attractive to actually push (by any means) to unify Ireland.

If you really think that the EU is going to encourage violence in order to get Ireland unified you're reaching Daily Mail levels of delusion.

I don't think the EU is meaning to encourage that (willfully encouraging that) but that will be an unintended consequence of pushing through such a statement.

So you can fuck right off with your assumptions of me being delusional. You could just act civilized and not jump to the stupidest conclusion. Actually, I'm not sure if you are able. :hmm:

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/f3/68/b2/f368b2ddfe3f14cc1aded6e2db8982b7.png

I'm perfectly serene, darling.

Then the final outburst feels a teeny tiny bit uncalled for.  :)

garbon

So was your comment on Daily Mail delusions. :)
"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."
I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.