Brexit and the waning days of the United Kingdom

[Jacob]

The industry around formula one racing is another area where the UK has done exceedingly well :

http://thejupital.com/the-british-formula-one-economy/

As with the premier league it is an incredibly international venture and relies on the UK being open to the world.

My buddy from high school got a job with Ferrari (IIRC) working with the pit crew for their F1 team on graduating from university. I caught up with him recently and he's still at it - apparently he's on Nico Rosberg's team. And yeah, he and his wife (highschool sweetheart ) live in the UK it seems.

[Richard Hakluyt]

The industry around formula one racing is another area where the UK has done exceedingly well :

http://thejupital.com/the-british-formula-one-economy/

As with the premier league it is an incredibly international venture and relies on the UK being open to the world.

My buddy from high school got a job with Ferrari (IIRC) working with the pit crew for their F1 team on graduating from university. I caught up with him recently and he's still at it - apparently he's on Nico Rosberg's team. And yeah, he and his wife (highschool sweetheart ) live in the UK it seems.

Yeah, that is what the successful parts of the UK economy are like, outward-looking, highly specialised and grabbing talent from all round the world 

Unless we want to impoverish ourselves and drink Victory gin in crumbling tower blocks I don't see how we can significantly reduce immigration 

[Duque de Bragança]

What's also happening is that they are moving fully towards a pay model. So viewership figures are down, but they are earning more money. There's a question of whether this will reduce the exposure of the sport in the long run, as casual fans and potential fans will watch less races once they are all behind a paywall.

This is a trend in all sports though. Football is doing the same. MotoGP is doing the same.

This trend has been negative for boxing, at least around here.
Football has always lots of free games i.e selections to compensate and Moto GP is in a different league.

[Agelastus]

British Ambassador to EU says Trade Deal could take 10 years.

Former British Secretary of State for Trade & Industry says you could draw up the basic outline of a trade deal in an afternoon.

Example noted on BBC news of US-Jordan trade deal being done in 4 months with no mention of how complex this was or what it covered.

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The fact is that a trade deal will take as long as the EU governments decide they need to take to "punish" us.

Given we start from a level playing field in terms of standards etc. that is.

[Tamas]

I just can't see how this is not going to end up as a sour disaster.

[Josquius]

British Ambassador to EU says Trade Deal could take 10 years.

Former British Secretary of State for Trade & Industry says you could draw up the basic outline of a trade deal in an afternoon.

Example noted on BBC news of US-Jordan trade deal being done in 4 months with no mention of how complex this was or what it covered.

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The fact is that a trade deal will take as long as the EU governments decide they need to take to "punish" us.

Given we start from a level playing field in terms of standards etc. that is.

Sure. Stuff could be done overnight if we drop this brexit idiocy and stick with what we've got.
But the government seems determined not to do that.
This is all on the UK governments head.  They're the bad guys in this, the ones wanting to change things and causing this mess. The EU has no desire to punish us just for the hell of it.

[Valmy]

The fact is that a trade deal will take as long as the EU governments decide they need to take to "punish" us.

You bring nationalist shit to people they are going to bring nationalist shit right back. It is hard to blame them entirely for participating in the xenophobic tantrum you started.

[Agelastus]

The fact is that a trade deal will take as long as the EU governments decide they need to take to "punish" us.

You bring nationalist shit to people they are going to bring nationalist shit right back. It is hard to blame them entirely for participating in the xenophobic tantrum you started.

I'm too tired to be polite today.

I expected the moronic shit from Tyr, but not from you.

Trivialising the issue as a "xenophobic tantrum" is one thing, even disregarding how personally insulting it is to me, but surely you didn't also miss the fact that I didn't apply to the line you quoted.

The EU governments will take as long as they feel necessary to make a deal; it won't take 10 years, but nor will it take 2. And why shouldn't they? Fundamentally they understand something Anglophone countries seem to tend to forget - countries have "interests", not "friends".

[Valmy]

I'm too tired to be polite today.

I expected the moronic shit from Tyr, but not from you.

Have you never read my views on this before?

Trivialising the issue as a "xenophobic tantrum" is one thing, even disregarding how personally insulting it is to me, but surely you didn't also miss the fact that I didn't apply to the line you quoted.

I am not talking about you personally. I am talking about how the British have regarded Europeans, the EU, and all that stuff in general especially with regard to the tone of discussion during the Brexit campaign. So of course shitloads of Euros are going to be pissed off and of course their politicians are going to have to cater to that.

The EU governments will take as long as they feel necessary to make a deal; it won't take 10 years, but nor will it take 2. And why shouldn't they? Fundamentally they understand something Anglophone countries seem to tend to forget - countries have "interests", not "friends".

EU governments are not dictatorships. They have citizens with nationalist pride.  The British certainly did not act in accordance with their "interests" but rather because of the widespread nationalist feelings of their raving mobs. So it is the same thing for others.

[Agelastus]

Have you never read my views on this before?

Yes.

Doesn't mean the way you phrased it in that post was anything but what I said. Normally you're much more nuanced.

EU governments are not dictatorships. They have citizens with nationalist pride.

As I said, "interests", not "friends". The opinion of your citizens is an "interest" of a national government, after all.

I would have thought it was reasonably obvious from my first post that I wasn't criticising them for this. All the  was aimed at British persons and institutions, after all.

[Valmy]

Doesn't mean the way you phrased it in that post was anything but what I said. Normally you're much more nuanced.

My posts are varied in quality

It is possible I misunderstood what you were talking about

[Admiral Yi]

I would have thought it was reasonably obvious from my first post that I wasn't criticising them for this.

Not to me.  I thought "punishment" was very much a criticism.

[Agelastus]

I would have thought it was reasonably obvious from my first post that I wasn't criticising them for this.

Not to me.  I thought "punishment" was very much a criticism.

I was making it as a statement of fact, not a criticism of the existence of that fact. All the criticism was aimed at Britons or British institutions.

Now, of course, depending on what their opening position when the talks start actually is, it may have to change to a criticism of that fact - there's a difference between "punishing but understandable" and "punishing but stupid". However, we won't know which side of that difference the EU and its' constituent nations will fall into until next year.

Although to be fair to Valmy perhaps I was a little unclear myself.

I apologise for the language I used in my post to him.

[Tamas]

To be fair, the Leave side of the argument wasn't that our friends will give us a new deal after we leave because the world is based on friendships. It was much more about the UK strongarming the EU into a good deal due to the sheer awesomeness of the UK market and negotiation prowess.

[Zanza]

The Brexit decision was made because of politics, not economics. The expectation that the Brexit implementation would somehow follow economics, not politics was always folly.