Brexit and the waning days of the United Kingdom

[Josquius]

To suspend him now would be revealing him thus breaking the law. There's a worthy excuse for the time being.
Still. Some random Labour Councillor was convicted of sex offences earlier in the week and it was widely reported. It will be interesting to see how this considerably higher profile occurance on the other side is treat.

[Richard Hakluyt]

I'd say that the police came out very badly from the Cliff Richard case; there was also some disgraceful sensationalism from the BBC. I'm curious about the identity of this former minister but support his anonymity; apart from anything else it would be preferable if he had a fair jury at his trial, not one with its opinions moulded by weeks of tabloid gossip.

[Sheilbh]

On Tory MPs and sexual assaults:

Cabinet minister 'lobbied Boris Johnson to help Charlie Elphicke'
Exclusive: PM 'initially sympathetic' but was warned against helping MP who was last week convicted of sexual assault
Charlie Elphicke
Published on Mon 3 Aug 2020 13.00 BST

A cabinet minister lobbied the prime minister to help Charlie Elphicke after the Conservative MP was charged with sexual assault, the Guardian has been told.

Questions resurfaced about the Tory party's handling of the case last week after Elphicke was convicted of three counts of sexual assault against two women in 2007 and 2016. He is due to be sentenced later this year and could face a jail term.

Elphicke, who represented Dover from 2010 until last year, is understood to have asked cabinet ministers to help him after the allegations were referred to the police in 2017.

In November 2019, having been charged in July that year following 20 months of police investigation, he succeeded in getting a member of Boris Johnson's cabinet to raise his case with the prime minister, according to a source.

"Charlie went around saying that he had no idea why he was being investigated, so in a way there was a legitimate case for why people felt that he was being unfairly treated," said the source, who has knowledge of discussions among ministers at the time.

"From that point of view there was a certain amount of confusion and good people thought he was being unfairly treated. He was saying he had no idea, which can't have been the case."

The source added: "He successfully lobbied one of Boris [Johnson's] ... cabinet ministers, who raised it and said: 'We should do something, prime minister, to help Charlie.'"

While Johnson was said to have been "initially sympathetic", another member of the cabinet strongly warned him against intervening and he did not do so, it is understood.

The Cabinet Office and No 10 have been contacted to ask for their response and whether they can confirm that Elphicke's case was raised with Johnson by one of his ministers.

The revelation raises further questions about the manner in which senior Conservatives handled Elphicke's case when he was under criminal investigation, and the extent to which MPs continued to support him.

Elphicke lost the Tory whip in 2017 when the sexual assault allegations were referred to the police, but was reinstated in December 2018 before a vote of confidence in the then prime minister, Theresa May.

The Guardian has also been told of deep unease among some Conservative MPs, particularly women, at the reaction from male Tory MPs when Elphicke and Andrew Griffiths, a colleague who had the party whip removed after being accused of sexually inappropriate conduct, were welcomed back into the fold.

"There was a lot of thumping of tables with fists and I remember just looking across at another woman with a frozen look," said one Conservative who was in attendance at a meeting of the influential 1922 Committee of Tory MPs in December 2018.

Griffiths, who sent lewd text messages to two young women, was cleared of wrongdoing by the parliamentary standards watchdog in September last year.

The Crown Prosecution Service said after the verdict in Elphicke's case at Southwark crown court on Thursday that Elphicke "had abused his power and influence over these women to make unwanted and forceful sexual advances towards them".

The father of two was released on bail but was warned by the judge, Mrs Justice Whipple, that he faced the "very real possibility" of prison. After unanimous verdicts were returned, the judge told him: "All options remain very much on the table, including the possibility of an immediate custodial sentence."

Elphicke's wife, Natalie, who became the MP for Dover after her husband did not stand for the seat in last year's general election, announced shortly after the verdict that their marriage of 25 years was over.

In an interview with the Sun on Sunday, she said she had ended the marriage in a private courtroom following a video call with the couple's teenage son. She said: "It was just awful. The case has been really unpleasant, horrible, upsetting and humiliating."

Giving evidence at his trial last Monday, her husband admitted not telling police the truth when they asked him about one of the women he was accused of sexually assaulting, saying he feared it would destroy his marriage.

He also said he had tried to keep his affair with another woman secret from his wife because he did not think his marriage would survive. The woman was not one of the complainants in the trial.

Both of the women who accused Elphicke gave evidence during the trial. One of them, speaking via video link, said she feared for her safety and locked herself in a room when Elphicke ran after her and tried to smack her bottom following the assault in 2007, jurors heard on the first day of the trial.

She said he chased her down the stairs at his London home chanting "I'm a naughty Tory".

[Tonitrus]

She said he chased her down the stairs at his London home chanting "I'm a naughty Tory".[/b]

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I guess Private Eye has a pre-written headline now? 

[Sheilbh]

So YouGov did a survey on European countries' willingness to help other countries in a crisis. It's fairly complicated but kind of interesting. UK is broadly willing to help everyone, most European countries are lss keen to help the UK. And Hungary has some exceptionally random dislikes: Portugal, Estonia, Ireland, Sweden etc


Edit: Also, well done Romania

Edit: And really interested in the UK's views on Lithuania which is, by a fair way, the lowest ranked European country.

[Syt]

Austria

Germany seems ready to help, well, most people.

[Grey Fox]

The Finland-Canada rivalry is alive!

[Valmy]

Why does everybody hate Finland? Random...

Columbia is all for helping out their buddies in Spain, Italy, and Romania but FUCK EVERYBODY ELSE.

[Tonitrus]

Why does everybody hate Finland? Random...

They can be rather cold...

[Syt]

Why does everybody hate Finland? Random...

You read it the wrong way around.

[Razgovory]

Greece, France, Hungary, and Finland seem very spiteful.

[Sheilbh]

Why does everybody hate Finland? Random...

Columbia is all for helping out their buddies in Spain, Lithuania, and Romania but FUCK EVERYBODY ELSE.

Only Greece (obvs) and Hungary hate Finland. Finland, on the other hand.....

[Valmy]

Why does everybody hate Finland? Random...

You read it the wrong way around.

Oh I did...nevermind then.

[Sheilbh]

Greece, France, Hungary, and Finland seem very spiteful.

France basically hates New Europe and the ROTW

[Valmy]

Greece, France, Hungary, and Finland seem very spiteful.

France basically hates New Europe and the ROTW

New Europe...there is a term that didn't age well.