Brexit and the waning days of the United Kingdom

[Syt]

I didn't know black swan was a term, but now it makes sense that the AI in Chuck Wendig's pandemic book Wanderers is called that.

[Tamas]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/apr/24/britain-running-down-the-clock-in-brexit-talks-says-michel-barnier-eu


I guess if true it explains why they were also willing to risk a no-lockdown Covid strategy. They ARE after a cleansing redistribution of wealth and power via chaos.

[Legbiter]

How can you still muster the strength to whine about Brexit Tamas? What's your secret?

[Tamas]

How can you still muster the strength to whine about Brexit Tamas? What's your secret?

Yeah luckily nothing apart coronavirus will affect anyone for the next year so I shouldn't care.

[Sheilbh]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/apr/24/britain-running-down-the-clock-in-brexit-talks-says-michel-barnier-eu


I guess if true it explains why they were also willing to risk a no-lockdown Covid strategy. They ARE after a cleansing redistribution of wealth and power via chaos.

I mean as I say part of this is different aims. You can't complain that the UK won't engage in level playing field provisions when the UK government's said from the start of these negotiations that it only wants a bare-bones trade agreement on tariffs and quotas.

This is why I'm not sure there is much reason to have an extension: if the parties don't want to negotiate the same type of agreement, then more time isn't going to solve that.

[grumbler]

Just catching up on this, but Ranker lists 150 brake manufacturers, and there are 26 of them that boast that they are the supplier for a significant auto company.  Most of those manufacture in multiple countries.

Maybe decisions should be based on actual evidence, not anecdotal evidence.

[Josquius]

Just catching up on this, but Ranker lists 150 brake manufacturers, and there are 26 of them that boast that they are the supplier for a significant auto company.  Most of those manufacture in multiple countries.

Maybe decisions should be based on actual evidence, not anecdotal evidence.

Bizzare argument there.
Suffice to say that doesn't sound right at all. A quick Google and I see a list of 7 with the vast majority of the market. One of which I recognise as being in partnership with one of the others (rebadging effectively) and another that I know works in motorbikes.
I know the auto industry is a very messy thing on the surface that looks like it has a lot more players than it actually does.
But I shan't be feeding you tonight.

[celedhring]

Auto supply chains are extremely complex and don't have "few players". Tier 1 suppliers (those that deal with automakers directly) have a host of Tier 2 suppliers giving them subassemblies, etc... So while you might have relatively few brake manufacturers, you have a zillion companies making braking cables, fluids, electronics, etc...

In general, Tier 1 factories tend to be close to auto plants, so if you build cars in Europe, you'll have a host of brake plants in Europe, but the lower you go on the chain, the less value the product has (a braking cable vs a finished brake), so manufacturing that in low cost places like China and then shipping it tends to become more important - Iormlund will know more than me, though.

Disentangling this isn't going to happen in the short term, particularly in a deep recession which means low costs will be favored.

[Iormlund]

Generally the costlier logistics become, the more likely suppliers will be sited near the OEM. A highly automated, light component can be manufactured in say, Germany, and delivered half way across the Globe instead.

However there are more factors than that. Launching small scale projects, for example, is a pain in the ass. You have the same R&D requirements, the same project structure, the same milestones that have to be hit. But then you get a fraction of the revenue stream that a big platform brings. So what everyone does is standardize. You use the same designs for all your brands and all over the world, so you decide where to best build them according to logistics and staffing costs, then you ship to those plants with minor volumes. That's why, for example, we end up sending half-processed "kits" all the way to South Africa.

[grumbler]

Just catching up on this, but Ranker lists 150 brake manufacturers, and there are 26 of them that boast that they are the supplier for a significant auto company.  Most of those manufacture in multiple countries.

Maybe decisions should be based on actual evidence, not anecdotal evidence.

Bizzare argument there.
Suffice to say that doesn't sound right at all. A quick Google and I see a list of 7 with the vast majority of the market. One of which I recognise as being in partnership with one of the others (rebadging effectively) and another that I know works in motorbikes.
I know the auto industry is a very messy thing on the surface that looks like it has a lot more players than it actually does.
But I shan't be feeding you tonight.

Not as bizarre as making the claim "As I always repeat, there's 2 companies in the world making brakes for 90% of cars."  I suppose that you believed that such a claim would support some opaque argument you were making, but my bizarre "argument" (despite the fact that I had no argument, just a note that your evidence looked suspect) to differ from your not so much in extent, but in the quality that my claim appears to be true.

Your presentation of actual evidence, other than the fact that you "always repeat" it, could change the quality of your claim.

[Josquius]

This really is text book grumbler. Completely missing the point of the discussion to try and play debate club over something nobody much cares about.
There is no way there are 25 companies with a decent chunk of the market. I may have been misremembering the only 2  with 90% with this actually  referring specially to friction brakes or something like that. Whatever.
But certainly a quick Google shows we are talking a very small number with a huge chunk of the market. And brakes aren't even the point.  That's just where I gained my auto industry experience and they're an example of one basic component amongst many, all dominated by small numbers of companies with the trend being towards this growing ever smaller.

[garbon]

So Boris is now going to take paternity leave during this national crisis?

[Richard Hakluyt]

The rate he reproduces that will involve a lot of leave 

[Sheilbh]

So Boris is now going to take paternity leave during this national crisis?

He's taking paternity leave later in the year.

Which is right because men should take paternity leave (and women should take maternity leave). But men can be a little bit more flexible on timing.

[garbon]

So Boris is now going to take paternity leave during this national crisis?

He's taking paternity leave later in the year.

Which is right because men should take paternity leave (and women should take maternity leave). But men can be a little bit more flexible on timing.

I wonder if they caught flack as originally the statement was he would take it by end of June.