Brexit and the waning days of the United Kingdom

[Valmy]

Why does Labour stick with Corbyn? Almost anybody else and they are in control.

Anyway lots of people are undecided about Swinson. There could still be a Liberal victory...

[Josquius]

Why does Labour stick with Corbyn? Almost anybody else and they are in control.

Anyway lots of people are undecided about Swinson. There could still be a Liberal victory...

Partially that it's a tainted time to be in charge. Nobody good for labour or the Tories is willing to stick their head above the parapet.

Corbyn... Well. The far left love him. There's also rumours of Tories with labour membership just so they can vote for him.

[Tamas]

IDK guys. To me it seems like no deal is the dream scenario for the DUP. The slow annexation of NI by the Republic is inevitable with the open border, at least economically and culturally. Having a border again could prevent that.

[Tamas]

Also: Junker said today: The EU's commitment to the backstop was "not ideological" but "totally pragmatic"

Sky News coverage: "Jean-Claude Juncker: I have no 'emotional attachment' to Brexit backstop"


OMG the desperation in this country.

[Iormlund]

IDK guys. To me it seems like no deal is the dream scenario for the DUP. The slow annexation of NI by the Republic is inevitable with the open border, at least economically and culturally. Having a border again could prevent that.

They might think so, but I suspect the result will be a united Ireland sooner rather than later.

[Richard Hakluyt]

IDK guys. To me it seems like no deal is the dream scenario for the DUP. The slow annexation of NI by the Republic is inevitable with the open border, at least economically and culturally. Having a border again could prevent that.

They might think so, but I suspect the result will a united Ireland sooner rather than later.

Finally, a good reason for Brexit, been searching for three years here.

[Sheilbh]

So after the more forensic submissions, the Scots lawyer seems to have added some colour

From his conclusion:
"We've got the Mother of Parliaments being shut down by the Father of Lies."

Edit: He also encouraged the court to not let this be their Dred Scott moment. Which I imagine thrilled the judges.

Also loved when one of their Lordships challenged one of his points: "look upset, look perturbed, but do not look skeptical" *slams hand on desk*.

[Zanza]

https://amp.ft.com/content/7453c686-d9b7-11e9-8f9b-77216ebe1f17?__twitter_impression=true

It might be worse than thought: Maybe Johnson is (was?) really ignorant enough to believe his bullshit and was not just bluffing... 

The FT on Wednesday morning reports on a chastening encounter over lunch between Mr Johnson, Michel Barnier and Jean-Claude Juncker, which one official described as a "penny dropping" moment for the prime minister over what it really means to replace the Irish backstop.

According to an account of the meeting, the prime minister was told by his EU counterparts in no uncertain terms that the UK's plan to replace the backstop by allowing Northern Ireland to stick to common EU rules on food and livestock (known as SPS) was not enough to prevent customs checks on the vast majority of goods that cross the Irish border.

At that point, a befuddled Mr Johnson turned to David Frost, his chief negotiator, and Stephen Barclay, Brexit secretary, and said: "So you're telling me the SPS plan doesn't solve the customs problem?"

The exchange, according to one EU official, was part of an abrupt "learning curve" for Mr Johnson in his first face-to-face meeting with Mr Barnier and Mr Juncker since he took office. Another official describes the prime minister gradually "slumping" in his chair as the reality of the UK's negotiating position and the limited time left to strike an agreement dawned on him. "He wasn't used to hearing it", added the official.

Mr Juncker told his college of commissioners in Strasbourg on Tuesday that the Luxembourg lunch was the first time that "Boris Johnson understood the meaning of the single market". A Number 10 official rejected descriptions of the lunch as "nonsense".

[The Larch]

And to think that he used to report on the EU back in the day...

[The Brain]

Fake news from Project Fear.

[Sheilbh]

IDK guys. To me it seems like no deal is the dream scenario for the DUP. The slow annexation of NI by the Republic is inevitable with the open border, at least economically and culturally. Having a border again could prevent that.

Nah. The opposite, which is why most unionists backed remain in the election. A hard border hurts Northern Ireland more than anywhere else in Europe, and will lead to more pressure for a border poll. But they would rather that than concede one inch on principle. It just reminds me of briefly feeling sympathy for Theresa May when she was negotiating with the DUP and they explained the situation as "a battle of who blinks first - and we've cut off our eyelids"

The preferred unionist position is ultra-soft Brexit - Norway basically. But if that's not on the cards the want no deal.

Interesting reading the lawyers on the current case. Basically no-one has any idea how the Supreme Court's going to rule but is interesting. One slight indicator is former justice Lord Sumption said the government's acted "disgracefully", taken a "hammer and sickle" to our political culture in a way that's "profoundly provocative" to people believe in "our traditions".

Also chatted about the different approaches in Scotland and England "one of the two courts is wrong. The orthodox opinion is the one given by the English courts but, one has to accept if you behave outrageously and defy the political culture on which our constitution depends, a lot of judges are going to be tempted to push the limits there." So.....still no idea

And it's only one poll but apparently Lib Dems in second place in latest poll. Farage is also saying he doesn't want any deal, but a "clean Brexit" which makes it far more difficult for Johnson to re-unite the Leave vote.

[HisMajestyBOB]

And it's only one poll but apparently Lib Dems in second place in latest poll. Farage is also saying he doesn't want any deal, but a "clean Brexit" which makes it far more difficult for Johnson to re-unite the Leave vote.

Behind who? UKIP? 

[Sheilbh]

And it's only one poll but apparently Lib Dems in second place in latest poll. Farage is also saying he doesn't want any deal, but a "clean Brexit" which makes it far more difficult for Johnson to re-unite the Leave vote.

Behind who? UKIP? 

Latest poll:

Westminster voting intention:

CON: 32% (-)
LDEM: 23% (+4)
LAB: 21% (-2)
BREX: 14% (-)
GRN: 4% (-3)

UKIP got taken over by the far-right, all banning burqas and working with Tommy Robinson. They're in a state of collapse. Farage's new vehicle is the Brexit Party.

Edit: And it is worth pointing out the overwhelming majority of Lib Dem target seats are held by the Tories. It's always been the bravery of Johnson's strategy: lose Tory MPs in Scotland, cede territory to the Lib Dems in the South and rely on a triumph in "Labour Leave" areas that have never had a Tory MP since universal suffrage.

[Zoupa]

So together, the conservatives and brexit party are at 46%.

Sorry guys, I know it sounds harsh but I can't wait to get rid of you 

[Valmy]

That poll does not include the SNP...is this just England?