Facebook Follies of Friends and Families

[Valmy]

Thank you Viper

[Grey Fox]

I deeply oppose the measures giving private actors (companies) the ability to sue governments in private arbitration over legislative acts. This creates huge inequality between various actors (the treaties did not give such right to individuals) which can weaken position of consumers and employees even more.

Are you really a lawyer?  Because if you are, it does not show.  And you are incredibly dumb for spreading the same lies af the moronics socialist politicians.

If you really were a lawyer, you would have read the latest treaty signed, the CETA, available on the EU site since July 2015.  You would have read the sections concerning arbitration and under what grounds a company can sue a government, and you would know it makes a lot of sense.

Were you a real lawyer, you would also know that most judges know only thing, the law, and like the lawyers they were before, they are totally clueless about everything else.  Therefore, having arbitrators, named as judges by their respective countries (5 from Canada, 5 from EU, 5 from outside EU), with the same power, but who are specialized in trade agreements makes a lot of sense.  Having a dedicated court, like there are dedicated courts for workers health insurance, human rights or tenants&landlords makes a lot of sense.  It removes specialized cases from the court of law so they can deal with more essential issues, like giving criminals a timely hearing so they don't go free due to unnecessary delays.

If a company or government is unsastified with arbitration, as is the case with any form of arbitration elsewhere in Europe or Canada, then they still can use the regular tribunals to assert their rights.

In no way is this a special right to corporation, in now way does this limit the sovereignty of any State, unlike the actual European Union where you can sue a government for changing its environmental laws.  It is expressly forbidden in the treaty to sue a State for such policies, contrary to the lies the left like spreading.  This provision has been there since the beginning of negotiations and the treaty has been made public.

No. This is not good.

[derspiess]

Okay so I'm seeing people fret about LGBT issues now that Trump has won.  Was there a hot button campaign issue I missed?

[Valmy]

Okay so I'm seeing people fret about LGBT issues now that Trump has won.  Was there a hot button campaign issue I missed?

Yes. The Supreme Court stuff. It was discussed very frequently.

[derspiess]

But what issue(s), specifically?  Gay marriage isn't going to get repealed.

[Valmy]

But what issue(s), specifically?  Gay marriage isn't going to get repealed.

Not sure. I think Trans stuff.

Could they not repeal the marriage thing?

[Martinus]

Yeah. I am a bit surprised by many people saying that Trump will be somehow disastrous for gay rights. I think nothing will change - at worst his SCOTUS will uphold some law which allows Christian bakers not to bake a wedding cake shaped like a dick - which I am fine with.

[garbon]

Anyone heard of Mike Pence? Sure he's not in charge but there's no reason to suspect wider Republican gov't is going to be excited to keep anything related to gay rights that the courts don't tell them that they must.

[derspiess]

So have Lena Dunham and Miley Cyrus left the country yet? 

[CountDeMoney]

So have Lena Dunham and Miley Cyrus left the country yet?

I'm sure you would've noticed the weight shift if they did. BAM #FatShameWow

[CountDeMoney]

Yeah. I am a bit surprised by many people saying that Trump will be somehow disastrous for gay rights. I think nothing will change - at worst his SCOTUS will uphold some law which allows Christian bakers not to bake a wedding cake shaped like a dick - which I am fine with.

Here in civilization, he can fuck with:
Prosecution priorities
Judicial appointments
Federal funding

All sorts of anti-pillowbiting action, don't you worry.

Pence endorses government funding of conversion therapy, so it'll be a hoot to see taxpayer money go to weeks-long "therapy retreats" for fags to Grab That Pussy.  NOM NOM NOM

[Barrister]

But what issue(s), specifically?  Gay marriage isn't going to get repealed.

Not sure. I think Trans stuff.

Could they not repeal the marriage thing?

Courts, even conservative courts, are loathe to overturn a recent decision.  And usually when they do so, it's only after a long history of a decision being criticized in dissents and lower court rulings.  I don't see them overturning Obergefell.

And remember, the existing vacancy was Scalia's seat.  They balance on the ocurt will be the same as it was before if Trump nominates a conservative.

As  MArti points out, I could see them ruling on someof the trans bathroom issues, religious liberty issues vis-a-vis homosexuality, but IMHO that's small potatoes.

The big question is whether they overturn Roe v Wade though. 

[The Minsky Moment]

Yeah. I am a bit surprised by many people saying that Trump will be somehow disastrous for gay rights. I think nothing will change - at worst his SCOTUS will uphold some law which allows Christian bakers not to bake a wedding cake shaped like a dick - which I am fine with.

Defense of Marriage Act fell 5-4 with Ginsburg and Kennedy in the majority.  Same majority for Obergefell which made gay marriage constitutionally protected. 

So that could easily go back the other way, which would mean that gay marriage would only be recognized state-by-state, and the Feds would not be required to recognize state gay marriages.

[viper37]

No. This is not good.

Expanding markets and having an alternative to the US with protectionnism on the rise is not good?  You have a strange perception.

I wonder if Trump will ask of video game companies to develop their games in the US or face a 35% tax...  Because that would be good, certainly?

[Valmy]

Expanding markets and having an alternative to the US with protectionnism on the rise is not good?  You have a strange perception.

I wonder if Trump will ask of video game companies to develop their games in the US or face a 35% tax...  Because that would be good, certainly?

Yeah I think Canada is going to feel some pain if their largest trading partner starts putting large tariffs on their goods. But hey at least no abominable arbitration will take place.

Ah well. You are probably on the winning side here GF and company. Enjoy.