Facebook Follies of Friends and Families

[derspiess]

Says the wealthy lawyer. Sorry, buddy, but there will actually be real negative consequences of having Republicans running all branches of government.

You're giving the GOP way too much credit.  They don't know how to govern, let alone get out of their own way.  They won't get anything done.

[derspiess]

Well of course Spicey does. His team won.

Team Johnson lost.

[Martinus]

Many of my American friends (thankfully) take the same attitude I do. AmScip or derspiess for example. But fair enough.

Well of course Spicey does. His team won.

Scip is hoping this brings a new shiny day of Clinton-free Leftism. Eh I think they will just demonize the next person but we will see.

But geez bro the election is only a few hours old. Give us a bit to let the emotions wear off.

I know this probably means the death of TPP. But right now I just hope NAFTA still exists two years from now. The economy is about to contract and prices are about to rise...unless Trump is a gigantic liar which would be nice but he did promise he was not a politician 

I am happy about the TPP - I think it, together with its other clones, was an abomination.

[derspiess]

My FB feed is going to be interesting today. 

[Valmy]

Well of course Spicey does. His team won.

Team Johnson lost.

I meant the Senate

Pity about Johnson though.

[Valmy]

I am happy about the TPP - I think it, together with its other clones, was an abomination.

Well I disagree. The tide of liberalism (of the old fashioned sort) is receding but once the old tired and proven failures get tried again and fail once more it will return resurgent.

I just hope we don't lose too much ground in the meantime.

[derspiess]

Well of course Spicey does. His team won.

Team Johnson lost.

I meant the Senate

Pity about Johnson though.

Ah okay.  Yeah, I burned a couch over that one this morning

[Martinus]

I deeply oppose the measures giving private actors (companies) the ability to sue governments in private arbitration over legislative acts. This creates huge inequality between various actors (the treaties did not give such right to individuals) which can weaken position of consumers and employees even more.

[Syt]

I deeply oppose the measures giving private actors (companies) the ability to sue governments in private arbitration over legislative acts. This creates huge inequality between various actors (the treaties did not give such right to individuals) which can weaken position of consumers and employees even more.

I don't agree with Mart on many things, but this. Worryingly, there seems to be a growing effort, at least in the US, to include such arbitration clauses in consumer contracts.

[Valmy]

I deeply oppose the measures giving private actors (companies) the ability to sue governments in private arbitration over legislative acts. This creates huge inequality between various actors (the treaties did not give such right to individuals) which can weaken position of consumers and employees even more.

Don't most trade deals require arbitration?

Anyway back to the purpose of the thread:



Actually kind of logical

[The Brain]

I got something that can sink in.

[Syt]

[viper37]

I am happy about the TPP - I think it, together with its other clones, was an abomination.

and which article in it were an abonimation?

And what other clones?  The CETA?  The EU trade agreements?  You mean to tell me that Poland did not benefit at all from being integrated into the EU common market?  You were better off in the goold old days, when you traded with Russia and other soviet East european nations?

[The Brain]

Comiccon was no joke.

[viper37]

I deeply oppose the measures giving private actors (companies) the ability to sue governments in private arbitration over legislative acts. This creates huge inequality between various actors (the treaties did not give such right to individuals) which can weaken position of consumers and employees even more.

Are you really a lawyer?  Because if you are, it does not show.  And you are incredibly dumb for spreading the same lies af the moronics socialist politicians.

If you really were a lawyer, you would have read the latest treaty signed, the CETA, available on the EU site since July 2015.  You would have read the sections concerning arbitration and under what grounds a company can sue a government, and you would know it makes a lot of sense.

Were you a real lawyer, you would also know that most judges know only thing, the law, and like the lawyers they were before, they are totally clueless about everything else.  Therefore, having arbitrators, named as judges by their respective countries (5 from Canada, 5 from EU, 5 from outside EU), with the same power, but who are specialized in trade agreements makes a lot of sense.  Having a dedicated court, like there are dedicated courts for workers health insurance, human rights or tenants&landlords makes a lot of sense.  It removes specialized cases from the court of law so they can deal with more essential issues, like giving criminals a timely hearing so they don't go free due to unnecessary delays.

If a company or government is unsastified with arbitration, as is the case with any form of arbitration elsewhere in Europe or Canada, then they can still use the regular tribunals to assert their rights.

In no way is this a special right to corporation, in now way does this limit the sovereignty of any State, unlike the actual European Union where you can sue a government for changing its environmental laws.  It is expressly forbidden in the treaty to sue a State for such policies, contrary to the lies the left like spreading.  This provision has been there since the beginning of negotiations and the treaty has been made public.