Facebook Follies of Friends and Families

[Valmy]

Maybe he missed the bus?

[Josquius]

I just included the quote?

That is not a quote saying "since we have EVs we don't need to do anything else about climate change."

Hence the difference between verbatim and outright.
He's pretty clearly stating his opposition to efforts to tackle climate change that don't involve electric cars. Add in his actions matching this too...

[Admiral Yi]

Hence the difference between verbatim and outright.
He's pretty clearly stating his opposition to efforts to tackle climate change that don't involve electric cars. Add in his actions matching this too...

He is doing nothing of the kind.  He is describing human preferences as he sees them, which I agree with because I dislike public transportation for the reasons he lists.  He says nothing that can even remotely be interpreted as people should not ride public transportation, or people  should stop worrying about climate change because EVs will solve all our problems.

Absolutely not.

[Josquius]

Hence the difference between verbatim and outright.
He's pretty clearly stating his opposition to efforts to tackle climate change that don't involve electric cars. Add in his actions matching this too...

He is doing nothing of the kind.  He is describing human preferences as he sees them, which I agree with because I dislike public transportation for the reasons he lists.  He says nothing that can even remotely be interpreted as people should not ride public transportation, or people  should stop worrying about climate change because EVs will solve all our problems.

Absolutely not.

The difference being you haven't spent billions on silly ideas specifically to undermine support for public transport and boost your multi billion eV company.

[Admiral Yi]

The difference being you haven't spent billions on silly ideas specifically to undermine support for public transport and boost your multi billion eV company.

If he's "clearly stating" his opposition to climate change mitigation you don't need a difference, do you?

He's spent billions on reusable space launch.  Does not specifically undermine support for public transport.

He's spent billions on home solar power generation.  Does not specifically undermine support for public transport.

He's spent billions on tunneling.  Does not specifically undermine support for public transport.

He might have to spend billions on acquiring Twitter. Does not specifically undermine support for public transport.

[Josquius]

If he's "clearly stating" his opposition to climate change mitigation you don't need a difference, do you?

Yes. Context matters. The same statement means something very different if randomly muttered in a pub vs. being said amidst a pattern of related action.

He's spent billions on tunneling.  Does not specifically undermine support for public transport.

For cars.
The reasoning behind it specifically been an attack on public transport.

You mentioned irrelevant stuff and forgot hyperloop.

[Admiral Yi]

If he's "clearly stating" his opposition to climate change mitigation you don't need a difference, do you?

Yes. Context matters. The same statement means something very different if randomly muttered in a pub vs. being said amidst a pattern of related action.

He's spent billions on tunneling.  Does not specifically undermine support for public transport.

For cars.
The reasoning behind it specifically been an attack on public transport.

You mentioned irrelevant stuff and forgot hyperloop.

I mentioned irrelevant stuff because you were horribly vague when you said he's spent billions on silly ideas (note the plural) specifically to undermine support for public transport.

You could have saved us an immense amount of time if instead of saying conservatives like EVs because they think we don't have to do anything else about climate change you had said by conservatives I mean Elon Musk and by we don't have to do anything about climate change you had said Elon said public transport is a pain in the ass and he owns a tunneling company that you claim is specifically for cars.

So not that we've managed to actually get to the issue, please tell me how you know The Boring Company is specifically for cars.  I have never heard of this before.

[grumbler]

Hence the difference between verbatim and outright.

   What do you believe that difference to be?  This makes no sense.

He's pretty clearly stating his opposition to efforts to tackle climate change that don't involve electric cars. Add in his actions matching this too...

Nonsense.  You are trying to create some sort of a supervillain so that you can be a superhero by opposing him.  Musk has repeatedly stated that climate change is the biggest threat facing the world today, and undertaken numerous efforts to create companies that provide alternatives to climate-change-causing production and consumption.  To seize on his efforts to promote his own idea for long-distance transportation as somehow indicative of an "opposition to efforts to tackle climate change that don't involve electric cars" is bonkers.

He is not only not a Green Drazi, he isn't even a Drazi.

[Tonitrus]

Wait...Musk created Tesla specifically to undermine public transportation?  That's not even a good Bond villain idea...Captain Planet, maybe.

[Jacob]

Wait...Musk created Tesla specifically to undermine public transportation?  That's not even a good Bond villain idea...Captain Planet, maybe.

No, not Tesla. But the allegation is that his hyperloop schemes are advanced to undermine high-speed rail (rather than actually build the various proposed hyperloop projects).

[grumbler]

No, not Tesla. But the allegation is that his hyperloop schemes are advanced to undermine high-speed rail (rather than actually build the various proposed hyperloop projects).

Yes, the hyperloop concept was advanced to provide an alternative to high-speed rail (because Musk doesn't believe HSR is going to be cost-effective), but the imputation that Musk wants to stop HSR because he is a supervillain is absurd.  The whole "Musk is just making up hyperloop because he wants to stop high-speed rail" claim is invented.

[The Larch]

No, not Tesla. But the allegation is that his hyperloop schemes are advanced to undermine high-speed rail (rather than actually build the various proposed hyperloop projects).

Yes, the hyperloop concept was advanced to provide an alternative to high-speed rail (because Musk doesn't believe HSR is going to be cost-effective), but the imputation that Musk wants to stop HSR because he is a supervillain is absurd.  The whole "Musk is just making up hyperloop because he wants to stop high-speed rail" claim is invented.

I think he actually admitted to that publicly.

[Jacob]

I think he actually admitted to that publicly.

Apparently he told his biographer that: https://twitter.com/parismarx/status/1167410460125097990

[The Larch]

I think he actually admitted to that publicly.

Apparently he told his biographer that: https://twitter.com/parismarx/status/1167410460125097990

Ah, might be that, didn't remember the exact circumstances.

[Admiral Yi]

Apparently he told his biographer that: https://twitter.com/parismarx/status/1167410460125097990

If Musk told him that, why does the biographer write "at the time it seemed....?"