Should the Edmonton Eskimos have to change their name?

[LaCroix]

I thought it a shame that the Fighting Sioux are no more.  Their depiction is quite different from that of the Redskins, or the Cleveland Indians or Atlanta Braves.  From what I recall 2 out of 3 Sioux bands supported UND keeping the name, and the third one couldn't make up its mind one way or another.

And you perhaps don't realize how small the CFL is.  The salary cap in the CFL is $5 million - for the entire team.

UND couldn't make an agreement work, so now there's no sioux nickname.

OK, so if edmonton eskimos don't want to pay the price, then they don't get the name. seems fair to me.

[Martinus]

No, the answer is that you only get to complain if your culture is retarded. It's the same with country names - you only get to insist you should be called Myanmar or Moldova if you are a shithole.

An aunt of mine does volunteer work among christian refugees from Myanmar (she is a retired teacher, and teaches the adults english and tutors the children). She reports they are bitterly opposed to using the name "Myanmar" and insist on calling the country "Burma". I don't know why.

Burma is also retarded. We call it Birma.

[LaCroix]

The objections to aborigine names is justified in part by the assertion that the names and depictions "foster negative stereotypes."  This should in theory apply just as much to the names you mentioned, regardless of Boston Irish not giving a shit.

do no indian groups complain of the cleveland/washington names? i don't know those controversies.

the "names and depictions 'foster negative stereotypes'" might be one justification, but it's not the only justification. it's not a requirement for a team to change its name and/or mascot.

[Martinus]

I wouldn't freak out if there was a team called Fergusson Faggots or Philadelphia Pollacks. The alliteration trumps all. 

[Barrister]

No, the answer is that you only get to complain if your culture is retarded. It's the same with country names - you only get to insist you should be called Myanmar or Moldova if you are a shithole.

An aunt of mine does volunteer work among christian refugees from Myanmar (she is a retired teacher, and teaches the adults english and tutors the children). She reports they are bitterly opposed to using the name "Myanmar" and insist on calling the country "Burma". I don't know why.

Because the name change to Myanmar was brought by the military government.

[garbon]

I wouldn't freak out if there was a team called Fergusson Faggots or Philadelphia Pollacks. The alliteration trumps all. 

Isn't that because you'd never even pay attention to a sports team?

[Martinus]

I wouldn't freak out if there was a team called Fergusson Faggots or Philadelphia Pollacks. The alliteration trumps all. 

Isn't that because you'd never even pay attention to a sports team?

Yes.

Edit: Also I noticed that since I became more at peace with myself, I have been less bothered by stuff like that.

Edit 2: Admittedly though, it is much easier to blame the shit in your life on prejudice and discrimination than it is on not having your shit together.

[Malthus]

No, the answer is that you only get to complain if your culture is retarded. It's the same with country names - you only get to insist you should be called Myanmar or Moldova if you are a shithole.

An aunt of mine does volunteer work among christian refugees from Myanmar (she is a retired teacher, and teaches the adults english and tutors the children). She reports they are bitterly opposed to using the name "Myanmar" and insist on calling the country "Burma". I don't know why.

The country's name was changed by the military junta in power, the same one that no doubt made them refugees.

Ostensibly the reason was, in part, to make the name more inclusive of minorities (the "Burmese" are the ethnic majority). However, the name "Myanmar" is simply the name of the majority ethnic group in 'literary' Burman (I guess it is like a highfalutin' way of saying "Burma"  ), and ironically, most actual ethnic minorities in the country - who do not speak much Burman - see this as an imposition by the Burmese majority: they prefer the English "Burma" that they are used to.

[Valmy]

The objections to aborigine names is justified in part by the assertion that the names and depictions "foster negative stereotypes."  This should in theory apply just as much to the names you mentioned, regardless of Boston Irish not giving a shit.

do no indian groups complain of the cleveland/washington names? i don't know those controversies.

the "names and depictions 'foster negative stereotypes'" might be one justification, but it's not the only justification. it's not a requirement for a team to change its name and/or mascot.

No idea about Cleveland.

Native Americans have been complaining about the Redskins since...awhile. I saw my first demonstrators during Super Bowl XXVI and it was a weird realization that my beloved and favorite football team did, in fact, have a racist name. It had never occurred to me before since I had never heard that word ever used outside of football.

[LaCroix]

Yes.

Edit: Also I noticed that since I became more at peace with myself, I have been less bothered by stuff like that.

i thought it was because you're shifting toward conservatism

[Valmy]

Edit: Also I noticed that since I became more at peace with myself, I have been less bothered by stuff like that.

It is called getting older. As time goes on you just have fewer and fewer fucks to give about what other people think.

[alfred russel]

Because the name change to Myanmar was brought by the military government.

Well this sucks.

If I call it "Burma", I sound like a right wing reactionary.

If I call it "Myanmar", I offend refugee groups and endorse the actions of a military government.

Thankfully, this country that comes up in conversation approximately never.

[garbon]

I wouldn't freak out if there was a team called Fergusson Faggots or Philadelphia Pollacks. The alliteration trumps all. 

Isn't that because you'd never even pay attention to a sports team?

Yes.

Edit: Also I noticed that since I became more at peace with myself, I have been less bothered by stuff like that.

Edit 2: Admittedly though, it is much easier to blame the shit in your life on prejudice and discrimination than it is on not having your shit together.

Of course, prejudice and discrimination have less of an effect on a person if say...you're a highly paid lawyer.

[Martinus]

Yes.

Edit: Also I noticed that since I became more at peace with myself, I have been less bothered by stuff like that.

i thought it was because you're shifting toward conservatism

Nah, I guess it's about becoming less insecure when you get older. For example, we have a shitty conservative government back in Poland right now but I am much more relaxed about it than I was 10 years ago. I have seen it all already - no point getting all worked up about it.

[LaCroix]

No idea about Cleveland.

Native Americans have been complaining about the Redskins since...awhile. I saw my first demonstrators during Super Bowl XXVI and it was a weird realization that in fact my beloved and favorite football team did, in fact, have a racist name. It had never occurred to me before since I had never heard that word ever used outside of football.

and that makes sense. an organization of sufficient size complaining seems like a requirement to these name controversies. no one is complaining about the catholic/scandi/irish names. so, they remain