Should the Edmonton Eskimos have to change their name?

Started by Barrister, December 01, 2015, 01:13:45 PM

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Valmy

Quote from: Jacob on December 01, 2015, 04:12:00 PM
Quote from: Valmy on December 01, 2015, 04:07:09 PM
Quote from: Oexmelin on December 01, 2015, 04:06:24 PM
Of course they should.

They should have to? I don't know. Strikes me as censorship.

It's only censorship if "should have to" means mandated by government action, no?

If "should have to" means "by dint of public opinion and good taste" then it wouldn't be censorship, right?

True but then they wouldn't have to. It would just be tacky and stupid if they didn't. But no football club would be that stupid.
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Malthus

Quote from: Jacob on December 01, 2015, 04:12:00 PM
Quote from: Valmy on December 01, 2015, 04:07:09 PM
Quote from: Oexmelin on December 01, 2015, 04:06:24 PM
Of course they should.

They should have to? I don't know. Strikes me as censorship.

It's only censorship if "should have to" means mandated by government action, no?

If "should have to" means "by dint of public opinion and good taste" then it wouldn't be censorship, right?

I agree - I think they ought to change the name, out of basic politeness and in the interests of good PR.
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LaCroix

if the edmonton eskimos can't bother/don't want to pay off the eskimos so they keep quiet, then sure - change it

Barrister

Quote from: LaCroix on December 01, 2015, 04:32:32 PM
if the edmonton eskimos can't bother/don't want to pay off the eskimos so they keep quiet, then sure - change it

It's the CFL.  The Eskimos are perhaps the richest team in the league, but they don't have money to go running around and buying people off.

And the Edmonton Eskimos football club dates all the way back to 1910 (and the usage of Eskimo / Esquiamo for rugby teams from Edmonton goes back even earlier).
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Martinus

I wonder when the Roman Curia complains about St. Louis Cardinals...

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Malthus

Meh, Cardinals and Vikings are job descriptions, not ethnicities.  :P
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Valmy

Quote from: Martinus on December 01, 2015, 04:42:29 PM
I wonder when the Roman Curia complains about St. Louis Cardinals...

I hope this kind of thing only applies to colonized indigenous peoples. I don't want Japan complaining about teenage mutant ninja turtles.
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Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

Martinus

No, the answer is that you only get to complain if your culture is retarded. It's the same with country names - you only get to insist you should be called Myanmar or Moldova if you are a shithole.

Martinus

Quote from: Valmy on December 01, 2015, 04:46:43 PM
Quote from: Martinus on December 01, 2015, 04:42:29 PM
I wonder when the Roman Curia complains about St. Louis Cardinals...

I hope this kind of thing only applies to colonized indigenous peoples. I don't want Japan complaining about teenage mutant ninja turtles.

That's cultural appropriation.

Valmy

Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

LaCroix

Quote from: Barrister on December 01, 2015, 04:37:05 PMIt's the CFL.  The Eskimos are perhaps the richest team in the league, but they don't have money to go running around and buying people off.

And the Edmonton Eskimos football club dates all the way back to 1910 (and the usage of Eskimo / Esquiamo for rugby teams from Edmonton goes back even earlier).

has there never been an agreement between the edmonton eskimos and the canadian eskimos re: the name? while that's possible, i'd be kinda surprised if that were the case. any $$ amount wouldn't need to break the edmonton eskimo bank account. why would the canadian eskimos demand an unreasonable amount?

times change. UND's sioux dated to around the 1930s. i don't see time as a factor for keeping a sports team name.

Valmy

There are no such people as Canadian Eskimos. Eskimos only live in Alaska it seems.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

Valmy

Quote from: LaCroix on December 01, 2015, 04:48:10 PM
UND's sioux dated to around the 1930s. i don't see time as a factor for keeping a sports team name.

But...TRADITION!
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

LaCroix

Quote from: Valmy on December 01, 2015, 04:50:03 PMBut...TRADITION!

right? it's one of the bigger non-issues today. people like/dislike the organization, not its name