Should the Edmonton Eskimos have to change their name?

Started by Barrister, December 01, 2015, 01:13:45 PM

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garbon

Quote from: Martinus on December 01, 2015, 04:47:05 PM
No, the answer is that you only get to complain if your culture is retarded. It's the same with country names - you only get to insist you should be called Myanmar or Moldova if you are a shithole.

Countries shouldn't get to decide their own name? :huh:
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LaCroix

Quote from: Martinus on December 01, 2015, 04:47:05 PM
No, the answer is that you only get to complain if your culture is retarded. It's the same with country names - you only get to insist you should be called Myanmar or Moldova if you are a shithole.

the analogies are false analogies because the thing is, catholics don't care about the cardinals and scandinavians don't care about the vikings. irish don't care about the celtics, etc.

Malthus

Quote from: garbon on December 01, 2015, 04:54:07 PM
Quote from: Martinus on December 01, 2015, 04:47:05 PM
No, the answer is that you only get to complain if your culture is retarded. It's the same with country names - you only get to insist you should be called Myanmar or Moldova if you are a shithole.

Countries shouldn't get to decide their own name? :huh:

I'm sure Languish can come up with a suitable name for the country currently known as "Poland" ...  :shifty:
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Martinus

Quote from: garbon on December 01, 2015, 04:54:07 PM
Quote from: Martinus on December 01, 2015, 04:47:05 PM
No, the answer is that you only get to complain if your culture is retarded. It's the same with country names - you only get to insist you should be called Myanmar or Moldova if you are a shithole.

Countries shouldn't get to decide their own name? :huh:

They can but most countries are not insisting on other countries using their "original" name. For example Germany does not go around telling English or French to call them "Deutschland".

Martinus

Quote from: Malthus on December 01, 2015, 04:56:54 PM
Quote from: garbon on December 01, 2015, 04:54:07 PM
Quote from: Martinus on December 01, 2015, 04:47:05 PM
No, the answer is that you only get to complain if your culture is retarded. It's the same with country names - you only get to insist you should be called Myanmar or Moldova if you are a shithole.

Countries shouldn't get to decide their own name? :huh:

I'm sure Languish can come up with a suitable name for the country currently known as "Poland" ...  :shifty:

Yes, well, you are not calling it "Polska" though.

The Brain

Quote from: garbon on December 01, 2015, 04:54:07 PM
Quote from: Martinus on December 01, 2015, 04:47:05 PM
No, the answer is that you only get to complain if your culture is retarded. It's the same with country names - you only get to insist you should be called Myanmar or Moldova if you are a shithole.

Countries shouldn't get to decide their own name? :huh:

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garbon

Quote from: Martinus on December 01, 2015, 04:58:05 PM
Quote from: garbon on December 01, 2015, 04:54:07 PM
Quote from: Martinus on December 01, 2015, 04:47:05 PM
No, the answer is that you only get to complain if your culture is retarded. It's the same with country names - you only get to insist you should be called Myanmar or Moldova if you are a shithole.

Countries shouldn't get to decide their own name? :huh:

They can but most countries are not insisting on other countries using their "original" name. For example Germany does not go around telling English or French to call them "Deutschland".

That's fair. Though it has always struck me as odd that we change country names. Most normal people don't insist on changing people's first names or cities (though there are clearly some examples for cities).
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garbon

Quote from: The Brain on December 01, 2015, 05:00:10 PM
Quote from: garbon on December 01, 2015, 04:54:07 PM
Quote from: Martinus on December 01, 2015, 04:47:05 PM
No, the answer is that you only get to complain if your culture is retarded. It's the same with country names - you only get to insist you should be called Myanmar or Moldova if you are a shithole.

Countries shouldn't get to decide their own name? :huh:

:huh:

Got keep at it you want to raise that post count. :showoff:
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Barrister

Quote from: LaCroix on December 01, 2015, 04:48:10 PM
Quote from: Barrister on December 01, 2015, 04:37:05 PMIt's the CFL.  The Eskimos are perhaps the richest team in the league, but they don't have money to go running around and buying people off.

And the Edmonton Eskimos football club dates all the way back to 1910 (and the usage of Eskimo / Esquiamo for rugby teams from Edmonton goes back even earlier).

has there never been an agreement between the edmonton eskimos and the canadian eskimos re: the name? while that's possible, i'd be kinda surprised if that were the case. any $$ amount wouldn't need to break the edmonton eskimo bank account. why would the canadian eskimos demand an unreasonable amount?

times change. UND's sioux dated to around the 1930s. i don't see time as a factor for keeping a sports team name.

I thought it a shame that the Fighting Sioux are no more.  Their depiction is quite different from that of the Redskins, or the Cleveland Indians or Atlanta Braves.  From what I recall 2 out of 3 Sioux bands supported UND keeping the name, and the third one couldn't make up its mind one way or another.

And you perhaps don't realize how small the CFL is.  The salary cap in the CFL is $5 million - for the entire team.
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Valmy

Quote from: garbon on December 01, 2015, 04:54:07 PM
Countries shouldn't get to decide their own name? :huh:

It does make them appear a bit insecure when they freak out what foreigners speaking other languages call them though. So no, I would recommend they give themselves an official name and chillout. Do I know what the United States of America is called in Chinese? No. Should the USA decide that? Nope.
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Quote from: garbon on December 01, 2015, 05:00:10 PM
They can but most countries are not insisting on other countries using their "original" name. For example Germany does not go around telling English or French to call them "Deutschland".

That's fair. Though it has always struck me as odd that we change country names. Most normal people don't insist on changing people's first names or cities (though there are clearly some examples for cities).
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There's tons of examples for cities.

LaCroix

Quote from: Martinus on December 01, 2015, 04:58:05 PMThey can but most countries are not insisting on other countries using their "original" name. For example Germany does not go around telling English or French to call them "Deutschland".

the rule you allege exists is that "only [shithole countries] get to insist" on name changes. one example that goes against this is the the republic of hungary changing to hungary. and don't forget the byzantine empire changed its name to the ottoman empire, etc. you can see a list here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_country_and_capital_changes

Admiral Yi

Quote from: LaCroix on December 01, 2015, 04:56:11 PM
the analogies are false analogies because the thing is, catholics don't care about the cardinals and scandinavians don't care about the vikings. irish don't care about the celtics, etc.

The objections to aborigine names is justified in part by the assertion that the names and depictions "foster negative stereotypes."  This should in theory apply just as much to the names you mentioned, regardless of Boston Irish not giving a shit.

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Quote from: Martinus on December 01, 2015, 04:47:05 PM
No, the answer is that you only get to complain if your culture is retarded. It's the same with country names - you only get to insist you should be called Myanmar or Moldova if you are a shithole.

An aunt of mine does volunteer work among christian refugees from Myanmar (she is a retired teacher, and teaches the adults english and tutors the children). She reports they are bitterly opposed to using the name "Myanmar" and insist on calling the country "Burma". I don't know why.
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Admiral Yi

Quote from: Barrister on December 01, 2015, 05:00:56 PM
I thought it a shame that the Fighting Sioux are no more.  Their depiction is quite different from that of the Redskins, or the Cleveland Indians or Atlanta Braves.

The depiction of the Washington Redskin is completely unlike the Cleveland Indians.  The Washington Redskin is a total badass.