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Trump is a fascist.

Started by jimmy olsen, November 25, 2015, 10:18:11 PM

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In your opinion, is Trump a fascist?

Yes
9 (22%)
No
21 (51.2%)
It's more complicated than that because...
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Total Members Voted: 41

Jacob

I don't think Trump is a Fascist by political science standards.

Are there a number of parallels that can be drawn between Trump's political direction and Fascism? Yeah, I think so. Are they useful parallels? Maybe, depends on context... probably not, in most cases.

I think it's possible to disapprove of Trump without calling him a Fascist.

The Minsky Moment

Trump is a loudmouth.

Assigning him a political worldview, even a really crappy one, is crediting him with more mental coherence than is warranted.
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Jacob

Quote from: The Minsky Moment on December 01, 2015, 07:35:47 PM
Trump is a loudmouth.

Assigning him a political worldview, even a really crappy one, is crediting him with more mental coherence than is warranted.

But Dee Snyder of Twisted Sister says he's a self-deprecating intelligent sort of fellow in private.

DGuller

Quote from: The Minsky Moment on December 01, 2015, 07:35:47 PM
Trump is a loudmouth.

Assigning him a political worldview, even a really crappy one, is crediting him with more mental coherence than is warranted.
He's a loudmouth with very keen political instincts, and a loudmouth that happens to energize and validate an extremely unpleasant part of the electorate.

alfred russel

Quote from: Jacob on December 01, 2015, 08:02:46 PM


But Dee Snyder of Twisted Sister says he's a self-deprecating intelligent sort of fellow in private.

Somehow I'm not surprised that Dee Snyder is a Donald Trump fan. Snyder struck me as an ass, and I have never been able to figure out why anyone is a Twisted Sister fan. The music blows. Along with KISS, Twisted Sister's popularity is an enigma to me.
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jimmy olsen

Quote from: Valmy on December 01, 2015, 04:16:32 PM
Quote from: Siege on December 01, 2015, 02:01:46 PM
Oh, because Hitlary Clinton is soo not facists.

Of course she is but in a comfortable conventional manner we are accustomed to.

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jimmy olsen

Quote from: Razgovory on December 01, 2015, 04:41:48 PM
Okay here's something I find perplexing.  Trump claims he saw video of evil Muslims celebrating in Patterson, New Jersey  He is countered that that no such video exists.  He responds that he knows he saw it and that he has a good memory.  His supporters accept this, and believe it as well.  9/11 didn't occur to in the 1950's, if someone broadcast it, the video is somewhere.  It should be trivially easy to find.  I do remember some kids celebrating in Gaza, but that's not quite the same as New Jersey.

It is far better for the truth to tear my flesh to pieces, then for my soul to wander through darkness in eternal damnation.

Jet: So what kind of woman is she? What's Julia like?
Faye: Ordinary. The kind of beautiful, dangerous ordinary that you just can't leave alone.
Jet: I see.
Faye: Like an angel from the underworld. Or a devil from Paradise.
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jimmy olsen

Quote from: The Minsky Moment on December 01, 2015, 07:35:47 PM
Trump is a loudmouth.

Assigning him a political worldview, even a really crappy one, is crediting him with more mental coherence than is warranted.

But fascism isn't really a worldview. It's intellectual incoherence is part of the appeal.
It is far better for the truth to tear my flesh to pieces, then for my soul to wander through darkness in eternal damnation.

Jet: So what kind of woman is she? What's Julia like?
Faye: Ordinary. The kind of beautiful, dangerous ordinary that you just can't leave alone.
Jet: I see.
Faye: Like an angel from the underworld. Or a devil from Paradise.
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Syt

Quote from: jimmy olsen on December 02, 2015, 04:33:50 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on December 01, 2015, 04:41:48 PM
Okay here's something I find perplexing.  Trump claims he saw video of evil Muslims celebrating in Patterson, New Jersey  He is countered that that no such video exists.  He responds that he knows he saw it and that he has a good memory.  His supporters accept this, and believe it as well.  9/11 didn't occur to in the 1950's, if someone broadcast it, the video is somewhere.  It should be trivially easy to find.  I do remember some kids celebrating in Gaza, but that's not quite the same as New Jersey.



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Martinus

Didn't these guys lose the war? Not exactly the most competent people to talk, now aren't they?  :rolleyes:

Martinus

But seriously, don't the nazi quote memes sorta follow an implied premise: "you should listen to us because Goerring and Goebbels said the same"?  :P

Monoriu

Just because they were evil people that lost the war doesn't mean what they said couldn't be effective. 

Syt

Quote from: Martinus on December 02, 2015, 05:24:46 AM
But seriously, don't the nazi quote memes sorta follow an implied premise: "you should listen to us because Goerring and Goebbels said the same"?  :P

Next you're going to disagree with Hitler's assessment of Poland. :rolleyes:

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Martinus

Well, having met many Poles, I disagree with this assessment. :P

jimmy olsen

Quote from: Martinus on December 02, 2015, 05:24:46 AM
But seriously, don't the nazi quote memes sorta follow an implied premise: "you should listen to us because Goerring and Goebbels said the same"?  :P

Not really, the Goebbels quote was appropriate because Raz asked how people could swallow the Donald's outrageous lies.
It is far better for the truth to tear my flesh to pieces, then for my soul to wander through darkness in eternal damnation.

Jet: So what kind of woman is she? What's Julia like?
Faye: Ordinary. The kind of beautiful, dangerous ordinary that you just can't leave alone.
Jet: I see.
Faye: Like an angel from the underworld. Or a devil from Paradise.
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