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Started by jimmy olsen, November 25, 2015, 10:18:11 PM

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In your opinion, is Trump a fascist?

Yes
9 (22%)
No
21 (51.2%)
It's more complicated than that because...
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mongers

#105
November 29, 2015, 09:26:07 AM
I think someone is cyber-squatting this website, guess it'll get real valuable in the next few months:

http://www.stoptrump.com/
"We have it in our power to begin the world over again"

Siege

#106
December 01, 2015, 02:01:46 PM
Oh, because Hitlary Clinton is soo not facists.

Languish is out of touch with reality.

Trump will be the next president, unless the Democrats can cheat chicago style and steal the election.


"All men are created equal, then some become infantry."

"Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't."

"Laissez faire et laissez passer, le monde va de lui même!"

Siege

#107
December 01, 2015, 02:04:04 PM
Trump, Cruz, or lose.

I will stay home on election day if one of those two is not the Republican candidate.


"All men are created equal, then some become infantry."

"Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't."

"Laissez faire et laissez passer, le monde va de lui même!"

Eddie Teach

#108
December 01, 2015, 02:16:09 PM
Quote from: Siege on December 01, 2015, 02:04:04 PM
Trump, Cruz, or lose.

I will stay home on election day if one of those two is not the Republican candidate.

What did Marco do to Rubio the wrong way?  :sleep:
To sleep, perchance to dream. But in that sleep of death, what dreams may come?

DGuller

#109
December 01, 2015, 02:33:00 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on December 01, 2015, 02:16:09 PM
Quote from: Siege on December 01, 2015, 02:04:04 PM
Trump, Cruz, or lose.

I will stay home on election day if one of those two is not the Republican candidate.

What did Marco do to Rubio the wrong way?  :sleep:
:bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding:

Eddie Teach

#110
December 01, 2015, 02:38:19 PM
:yeah:
To sleep, perchance to dream. But in that sleep of death, what dreams may come?

Malthus

#111
December 01, 2015, 02:40:01 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on December 01, 2015, 02:16:09 PM
Quote from: Siege on December 01, 2015, 02:04:04 PM
Trump, Cruz, or lose.

I will stay home on election day if one of those two is not the Republican candidate.

What did Marco do to Rubio the wrong way?  :sleep:

Somewhere, BB is banging his head against the wall, and he doesn't know why.  :P
The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane—Marcus Aurelius

Valmy

#112
December 01, 2015, 04:16:32 PM
Quote from: Siege on December 01, 2015, 02:01:46 PM
Oh, because Hitlary Clinton is soo not facists.

Of course she is but in a comfortable conventional manner we are accustomed to.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

Crazy_Ivan80

#113
December 01, 2015, 04:36:30 PM
Quote from: Martinus on November 28, 2015, 03:03:36 PM
Quote from: Valmy on November 28, 2015, 03:01:39 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on November 28, 2015, 02:59:54 PM
Quote from: grumbler on November 28, 2015, 02:46:52 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on November 28, 2015, 02:19:48 PM
Who are these "actual socialists"?

Those who call for social ownership of the means of production (as opposed to private ownership); you know, the ones who subscribe to the defining characteristic of socialism.

So you don't consider Hollande a socialist?

Not really. Mitterrand nationalized a bunch of industries when he took power, that is a socialist.

Wow, I would never see Mitterand as socialist. You Americans really have a distorted view.  :lol:

not really, as Mitterand really was a socialist. Then reality hit him in the face and he had to backtrack on a lot of policies.

Razgovory

#114
December 01, 2015, 04:41:48 PM
Okay here's something I find perplexing.  Trump claims he saw video of evil Muslims celebrating in Patterson, New Jersey  He is countered that that no such video exists.  He responds that he knows he saw it and that he has a good memory.  His supporters accept this, and believe it as well.  9/11 didn't occur to in the 1950's, if someone broadcast it, the video is somewhere.  It should be trivially easy to find.  I do remember some kids celebrating in Gaza, but that's not quite the same as New Jersey.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Malthus

#115
December 01, 2015, 04:43:48 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on December 01, 2015, 04:41:48 PM
Okay here's something I find perplexing.  Trump claims he saw video of evil Muslims celebrating in Patterson, New Jersey  He is countered that that no such video exists.  He responds that he knows he saw it and that he has a good memory.  His supporters accept this, and believe it as well.  9/11 didn't occur to in the 1950's, if someone broadcast it, the video is somewhere.  It should be trivially easy to find.  I do remember some kids celebrating in Gaza, but that's not quite the same as New Jersey.

I give Trump the benefit of the doubt on that - driving through Newark, it is easy to see how one could legitimately mistake New Jersey for Gaza.  :D
The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane—Marcus Aurelius

Martinus

#116
December 01, 2015, 05:29:12 PM
Quote from: Siege on December 01, 2015, 02:04:04 PM
Trump, Cruz, or lose.

I will stay home on election day if one of those two is not the Republican candidate.

Siege! My favourite Zionist!

Razgovory

#117
December 01, 2015, 05:31:09 PM
Quote from: Siege on December 01, 2015, 02:04:04 PM
Trump, Cruz, or lose.

I will stay home on election day if one of those two is not the Republican candidate.

It's nice to see so dedicated a Hilary supporter.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Savonarola

#118
December 01, 2015, 05:38:32 PM
Quote from: Siege on December 01, 2015, 02:04:04 PM
Trump, Cruz, or lose.

I will stay home on election day if one of those two is not the Republican candidate.

Check out Zoltan Istvan before you say that.  If ever there was a candidate for you, it's him.
In Italy, for thirty years under the Borgias, they had warfare, terror, murder and bloodshed, but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and the Renaissance. In Switzerland, they had brotherly love, they had five hundred years of democracy and peace—and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock

alfred russel

#119
December 01, 2015, 05:54:08 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on December 01, 2015, 04:41:48 PM
Okay here's something I find perplexing.  Trump claims he saw video of evil Muslims celebrating in Patterson, New Jersey  He is countered that that no such video exists.  He responds that he knows he saw it and that he has a good memory.  His supporters accept this, and believe it as well.  9/11 didn't occur to in the 1950's, if someone broadcast it, the video is somewhere.  It should be trivially easy to find.  I do remember some kids celebrating in Gaza, but that's not quite the same as New Jersey.

I think you are missing the essence of the fascist zeitgeist (I know this seems like I am contradicting what I said earlier). Facts aren't relevant. This is team A vs. team B. Christian America vs. muslims. Trump is framing the battle lines and putting himself on the side of Christian America, that is what is important to his supporters. Trump has defined an enemy, shown himself to be against that enemy--his supporters want to rally around him to defeat that enemy, not carefully consider facts (or even consider facts at all).

What you are doing is similar to standing up in the middle of a football pep talk right before a game and asking, "Coach, is this really the most important moment of our lives? Does the other team really lack respect for us?"

It is the same reason that Putin is popular in Russia despite putting out statements that are 100% nonsense by any objective standard.

And no, I still don't think Trump is a fascist.
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