Trump is a fascist.

[MadImmortalMan]

There aren't any. Fascism is in the dustbin of history.

[alfred russel]

Who are these "actual socialists"?

Those who call for social ownership of the means of production (as opposed to private ownership); you know, the ones who subscribe to the defining characteristic of socialism.

So you don't consider Hollande a socialist?

[Grinning_Colossus]

Certain European far-right parties like Golden Dawn, Jobbik, and the LDPR are clearly fascist. One could make a case for ISIS and North Korea, too.

[Valmy]

Who are these "actual socialists"?

Those who call for social ownership of the means of production (as opposed to private ownership); you know, the ones who subscribe to the defining characteristic of socialism.

So you don't consider Hollande a socialist?

Not really. Mitterrand nationalized a bunch of industries when he took power, that is a socialist.

[Martinus]

Who are these "actual socialists"?

Those who call for social ownership of the means of production (as opposed to private ownership); you know, the ones who subscribe to the defining characteristic of socialism.

So you don't consider Hollande a socialist?

Definitely not. That's moronic. I have seen him trying to nationalise means of production. Chavez could be seen as socialist.

[Josquius]

To say socialists are only the extremists who demand a 100% Marx-defined socialist society tomorrow is like saying only the really far right hate filled tea party types are conservatives.

[Martinus]

Who are these "actual socialists"?

Those who call for social ownership of the means of production (as opposed to private ownership); you know, the ones who subscribe to the defining characteristic of socialism.

So you don't consider Hollande a socialist?

Not really. Mitterrand nationalized a bunch of industries when he took power, that is a socialist.

Wow, I would never see Mitterand as socialist. You Americans really have a distorted view. 

[MadImmortalMan]

Wow, I would never see Mitterand as socialist. You Americans really have a distorted view. 

Valmy spelled the man's name properly. 

Anyway, if a man calls himself one, people tend to take him at his word. 

[alfred russel]

Who are these "actual socialists"?

Those who call for social ownership of the means of production (as opposed to private ownership); you know, the ones who subscribe to the defining characteristic of socialism.

So you don't consider Hollande a socialist?

Definitely not. That's moronic. I have seen him trying to nationalise means of production. Chavez could be seen as socialist.

But he a member of a socialist party, that is (i think) in the socialist international, and (I think) is a party with a socialist tradition back over 100 years. Whether or not he meets the definition of a socialist from 100+ years ago, it seems he meets the modern day definition of one.

[Admiral Yi]

I don't buy into the Yuro logic that one is not a true socialist until one advocates for, and pursues, the nationalization of all industry.  I see socialism as a contiuum.  One can be a little bit socialist and one can be very socialist.

[Valmy]

Wow, I would never see Mitterand as socialist. You Americans really have a distorted view. 

A distorted view is that nationalizing industries in socialism? Ok what is a non-distorted view of socialism then?

[grumbler]

I don't buy into the Yuro logic that one is not a true socialist until one advocates for, and pursues, the nationalization of all industry.  I see socialism as a contiuum.  One can be a little bit socialist and one can be very socialist.

True.  One can be a little bit socialist, and only desire to nationalize the "commanding heights of the economy," or one can be very socialist and desire to nationalize every means of production.

Social Democrats are not, generally speaking, socialists.  Sanders is a social democrat, whether he calls himself socialist or not.

[derspiess]

Obama's a socialist.

[Habbaku]

Also a Muslim I hear.

[Tonitrus]

And Kenyan.