The Paris Attack Debate Thread

[Razgovory]

Okay, I may have been wrong, maybe you in particular do not need to look any more inward.

It might be extend this courtesy to the general rather then the particular.  And perhaps as a warning don't look inward much toward your own religious views that you were so fortunate to bestowed on you.  From where I sit an Atheist who isn't at least vaguely suicidal is a bit of a poser.

[Grinning_Colossus]

Your above-stated concerns about oblivion should, if anything, keep an atheist from every contemplating suicide.

[Eddie Teach]

Why should an atheist be suicidal? It's the theist who is the plaything of a powerful, capricious being.

[Razgovory]

Your above-stated concerns about oblivion should, if anything, keep an atheist from every contemplating suicide.

Then you really haven't thought enough about the subject.  Go ahead, think about it some.  Think about it for three months straight and come back and tell what you think.

[The Brain]

Dang! I'm already on a three month think about how kamikazes weren't suicide bombers.

[Razgovory]

Why should an atheist be suicidal? It's the theist who is the plaything of a powerful, capricious being.

Because his living body and and his dead one have the exactly the same intrinsic value.

[11B4V]

Okay, I may have been wrong, maybe you in particular do not need to look any more inward.

It might be extend this courtesy to the general rather then the particular.  And perhaps as a warning don't look inward much toward your own religious views that you were so fortunate to bestowed on you.  From where I sit an Atheist who isn't at least vaguely suicidal is a bit of a poser.

And they call you crazy.

[The Brain]

Why should an atheist be suicidal? It's the theist who is the plaything of a powerful, capricious being.

Because his living body and and his dead one have the exactly the same intrinsic value.

The dead body can be used for food, lampshades and soap.

[Eddie Teach]

Because his living body and and his dead one have the exactly the same intrinsic value.

If that's so, why make an effort to change its state?

[Razgovory]

Because his living body and and his dead one have the exactly the same intrinsic value.

If that's so, why make an effort to change its state?

Ask yourself why people kill themselves and you have your answer.

[Eddie Teach]

They kill themselves because they're unhappy and don't enjoy the experience of living. Nobody kills themselves because life is "meaningless". Expressing oneself like that is a symptom, not a cause.

[Razgovory]

They kill themselves because they're unhappy and don't enjoy the experience of living.

Bingo.  Now pain and unhappiness don't happen to dead people in the materialist viewpoint and because life has no intrinsic value it is better to be dead then to be unhappy or in pain particularly if you don't see a way alleviate those circumstances.

[Eddie Teach]

So then the atheists who aren't suicidal- perhaps they're just not unhappy?

[The Brain]

Value is more important than intrinsic value.

[Razgovory]

So then the atheists who aren't suicidal- perhaps they're just not unhappy?

Yet.  Once you take a serious look at the void, you become unhappy.  Hence my original statement.  Anyone who claims to be an atheist without being a little suicidal is something of a poser.  The Euphoric Fedora crowd.  Quite a few philosophers spilled a lot of ink on why you shouldn't kill yourself in an uncaring universe.  That was like half of Sarte's output.