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Started by Barrister, November 13, 2015, 04:32:42 PM

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Solmyr

Quote from: Admiral Yi on November 15, 2015, 03:44:18 PM
Quote from: Solmyr on November 15, 2015, 05:36:09 AM
It's like offering consolation sex to a rape victim.

It would be exactly like this if the well-wishers were offering to shoot and bomb some French people out of sympathy.  The terrorists didn't pray their victims to death.

Okay. It's like showing rough BDSM porn to a rape victim.

mongers

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Breaking News: France as started launching what might be regarded as retaliatory airstrikes against IS targets.

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Details here:
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2015/11/15/uk-france-shooting-airstrikes-idUKKCN0T416M20151115

Quoteorld  | Sun Nov 15, 2015 9:06pm GMT

French warplanes strike Islamic State Syria bastion

French fighter jets launched their biggest raids in Syria to date targeting the Islamic State's stronghold in Raqqa just two days after the group claimed coordinated attacks in Paris that killed more than 130 people, the defence ministry said.

"The raid ... including 10 fighter jets, was launched simultaneously from the United Arab Emirates and Jordan. Twenty bombs were dropped," the statement said, adding that the mission had taken place this evening.

The operation, carried out in coordination with U.S. forces, struck a command centre, recruitment centre for jihadists, a munitions depot and a training camp for fighters, it said.
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Admiral Yi

Quote from: Solmyr on November 15, 2015, 04:33:19 PM
Okay. It's like showing rough BDSM porn to a rape victim.

It would be exactly like showing rough BDSM porn to a rape victim if the well-wishers had offered to dress up as terrorists and stage mock attacks to express their sympathy.

Tamas

Quote from: Admiral Yi on November 15, 2015, 04:42:47 PM
Quote from: Solmyr on November 15, 2015, 04:33:19 PM
Okay. It's like showing rough BDSM porn to a rape victim.

It would be exactly like showing rough BDSM porn to a rape victim if the well-wishers had offered to dress up as terrorists and stage mock attacks to express their sympathy.

I know the Americans meant well with the whole praying thing so I don't get the outcry BUT you do seem unable to understand the European viewpoint:

In Europe unless you are seriously religious, Christianity is A religion. So it seems obvious that when a religiously motivated massacre happens, you don't necessarily want to mention praying.

Now obviously Americans are more accustomed to the thought/general social consensus of Christianity being THE religion, so this doesn't compute for them.

Solmyr

Quote from: Admiral Yi on November 15, 2015, 04:42:47 PM
Quote from: Solmyr on November 15, 2015, 04:33:19 PM
Okay. It's like showing rough BDSM porn to a rape victim.

It would be exactly like showing rough BDSM porn to a rape victim if the well-wishers had offered to dress up as terrorists and stage mock attacks to express their sympathy.

Well, apparently you know better what the French need than they do themselves.

garbon

I'm not surely Charlie Hebdo is right on the pulse of what the French need.
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Solmyr

Quote from: garbon on November 15, 2015, 04:56:40 PM
I'm not surely Charlie Hebdo is right on the pulse of what the French need.

More on the pulse than the Americans, I'd wager.

garbon

Besides it is an expression sympathy is that something that someone needs? :huh:
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Admiral Yi

Quote from: Tamas on November 15, 2015, 04:49:46 PM
I know the Americans meant well with the whole praying thing so I don't get the outcry BUT you do seem unable to understand the European viewpoint:

In Europe unless you are seriously religious, Christianity is A religion. So it seems obvious that when a religiously motivated massacre happens, you don't necessarily want to mention praying.

Now obviously Americans are more accustomed to the thought/general social consensus of Christianity being THE religion, so this doesn't compute for them.

It doesn't seem at all obvious to me.  You have to be a retard to think all religious people are evil.  If the Dalai Lama or the Pope showed up in Paris to demonstrate support should people pelt them with rocks or run in terror?  That would be psychotic.  But that's exactly the kind of reaction these various analogies are suggesting.


The Larch

I don't know why everyone rushed to associate Sfar (the cartoonist that mentioned the prayers) with Charlie Hebdo, he only worked there for a year a long time ago, and has an established career outside of it.

garbon

Quote from: The Larch on November 15, 2015, 05:06:19 PM
I don't know why everyone rushed to associate Sfar (the cartoonist that mentioned the prayers) with Charlie Hebdo, he only worked there for a year a long time ago, and has an established career outside of it.

The news media outlets said he was connected to it. I didn't have a lot of interest in verifying if that was correct. -_-
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Barrister

Quote from: Tamas on November 15, 2015, 04:49:46 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on November 15, 2015, 04:42:47 PM
Quote from: Solmyr on November 15, 2015, 04:33:19 PM
Okay. It's like showing rough BDSM porn to a rape victim.

It would be exactly like showing rough BDSM porn to a rape victim if the well-wishers had offered to dress up as terrorists and stage mock attacks to express their sympathy.

I know the Americans meant well with the whole praying thing so I don't get the outcry BUT you do seem unable to understand the European viewpoint:

In Europe unless you are seriously religious, Christianity is A religion. So it seems obvious that when a religiously motivated massacre happens, you don't necessarily want to mention praying.

Now obviously Americans are more accustomed to the thought/general social consensus of Christianity being THE religion, so this doesn't compute for them.

But here's the thing - in north america Christianity isn't "the religion".  We've always had a strong Jewish presence, and our diversity has increased over time with hindu, muslim, sikh and other religions.

"You're in my prayers" is non-denominational.  It doesn't reference any specific religion.
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Duque de Bragança

Quote from: mongers on November 15, 2015, 04:40:50 PM
Breaking News: France as started launching what might be regarded as retaliatory airstrikes against IS targets.

edit:
Details here:
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2015/11/15/uk-france-shooting-airstrikes-idUKKCN0T416M20151115

Quoteorld  | Sun Nov 15, 2015 9:06pm GMT

French warplanes strike Islamic State Syria bastion

French fighter jets launched their biggest raids in Syria to date targeting the Islamic State's stronghold in Raqqa just two days after the group claimed coordinated attacks in Paris that killed more than 130 people, the defence ministry said.

"The raid ... including 10 fighter jets, was launched simultaneously from the United Arab Emirates and Jordan. Twenty bombs were dropped," the statement said, adding that the mission had taken place this evening.

The operation, carried out in coordination with U.S. forces, struck a command centre, recruitment centre for jihadists, a munitions depot and a training camp for fighters, it said.

This reminds me of the first reprisal raid after the Beyrouth attacks in 1983. I hope they are not bombing empty barracks this time. Reprisals went on for a year or so, Mitterrand would not quit as quickly as Reagan.

grumbler

Quote from: crazy canuck on November 14, 2015, 11:03:05 PM
Quote from: grumbler on November 14, 2015, 10:38:13 PM
Stereotype much?

You don't think Europeans are less religious than Americans?  When is the last time you heard a French President say something like "God Bless you and God Bless France" at the end of their speeches to the nation?

Again, stereotype much?  No, I don't think that there are any Europeans less religious than I am.  I don't believe I have ever heard anyone say something like "God Bless you and God Bless France" at the end of a speech to a nation, but I have no idea why you thought throwing in a non sequitur would make your argument (whatever it is) more persuasive.
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grumbler

The future is all around us, waiting, in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain.   -G'Kar

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