Shootings and explosions in Paris

[Malicious Intent]

The "Jungle" refugee camp in Calais has been set on fire, France and Europe is going to erupt from this.

Any idea by whom?

Twitter speculates it might be revenge from right wingers.

Likely, though there were also big riots inside the camp just a few days ago.

[Richard Hakluyt]

There was no "hostage" situation, the terrorists were just killing them asap, it took a while before French cops with sufficient firepower got there.

[mongers]

Trump is such a douche.

Haven't heard what he said, but no doubt he's doubling down.

[Liep]

Trump is such a douche.

What has he said?

[katmai]

Trump is such a douche.

Haven't heard what he said, but no doubt he's doubling down.

his twitter post

Isn't it interesting that the tragedy in Paris took place in one of the toughest gun control countries in the world?

[Duque de Bragança]

Very sad news.

Is it clear whether the attackers are all dead or could they still be at large?

Good question. That's why the borders are closed. There could another team as well, as in January.
I heard on French TV the police captured a terrorist but it's unconfirmed, while now there is talk of four terrorists killed at the Bataclan.

As for civilian Paris this photo shows they called reinforcements from a police unit specialised in suburban (banlieue) criminality. BAC 94 (Brigade anti-criminalité Val-de-Marne close suburbs SE of Paris). Anti-terrorism is not their thing, thrashing suburban scum is their raison d'être.

[mongers]

Trump is such a douche.

Haven't heard what he said, but no doubt he's doubling down.

his twitter post

Isn't it interesting that the tragedy in Paris took place in one of the toughest gun control countries in the world?

Your next President?

[Grey Fox]

The West needs to start taking real measures to stop this. The Arab muslim worlds needs to be set on fire, asap.

[katmai]

No, he won't even be the GOP nominee 

[katmai]

The West needs to start taking real measures to stop this. The Arab muslim worlds needs to be set on fire, asap.

Ok grallon jr.

[Grey Fox]

The bear has to stop letting himself be poke.

[mongers]

The West needs to start taking real measures to stop this. The Arab muslim worlds needs to be set on fire, asap.

Do you not have the cart before horse:


Much of the Arab muslim world is on fire hence what's happening, as a consequence the West and the surviving Arab governments need to start taking real measures to end the war in Syria, conquer IS in Iraq and Syria and extinquish the sources of radicalism in their state institutions and populations.

[Grey Fox]

So, hotter fire?

[OttoVonBismarck]

We have almost no new information about Islam after these attacks. Why should we change the way we act regarding Islam?

I guess my question is what's our move? Before 9/11 the U.S.'s involvement in the Middle East, at least in terms of troops on the ground, wasn't very high. We had a presence in Saudi Arabia, obviously Turkey is a NATO country, and we supported Israel. This was enough to get 9/11. After 9/11 we've killed literally hundreds of thousands of Muslim jihadists, that has clearly not worked.

Do we simply accept that we'll always suffer terrorist attacks, because terrorists can easily take advantage of our free and open societies?

Do we retrench even more than pre-9/11? Meaning no support for Israel, not a single boot on the ground anywhere in the Middle East? I'm not sure that would matter--how many soldiers does France have in the Middle East? They're being targeted by their own Muslim immigrants. Do we stop letting Muslims move into our countries? Or do we  just accept there's nothing we can do?

I genuinely have no answers, but I think if you look around various Western countries, I think we've seen a pretty wide spectrum of behaviors. You've had America's militant response on one end of the spectrum, to countries like Sweden or Norway which have taken a much different approach. Pretty much the entire spectrum of countries have also been the targets of terrorist attacks by Muslims.

[KRonn]

The West needs to start taking real measures to stop this. The Arab muslim worlds needs to be set on fire, asap.

Do you not have the cart before horse:


Much of the Arab muslim world is on fire hence what's happening, as a consequence the West and the surviving Arab governments need to start taking real measures to end the war in Syria, conquer IS in Iraq and Syria and extinquish the sources of radicalism in their state institutions and populations.

Something like that, agreed. IMO the biggest push needs to come from Arab/Muslim governments, not the US/west. The west can help with supplies, equipment, etc. but Islam needs to take the lead in sorting this stuff out. If the west takes on much of it then it's seen as outsiders meddling and provides more impetus for radicals to take action.