Homeopathy conference ends in chaos after delegates take hallucinogenic drug

[Malthus]

Placebo treatment is of course fine, as long as the underlying condition isn't actually serious. Not so fine if it is. The issue is whether homeopathic practitioners can tell the difference.

No, it's not ok. It's fraud.

I happen to agree with you - please read what I was responding to: the notion that what basicially amounts to a placebo treatment at least does no harm. My point is that it can, and seriously, if the practitioner of this particular form of fraud cannot tell the difference between a minor, psychosomatic complaint, and a significant underlying condition.

If the person has a minor psychosomatic complaint, feeding them water pills does no harm (fraud or not). However, if they are taking water pills for a serious condition, it can harm them significantly, because they won't get the treatment they actually need. I have no confidence that practitioners of this particular fraud have the training or inclination to say 'woah, you have a serious condition. Don't take these placebos, get yourself to a real doctor'. Thus, I think this particular type of fraud has the potential to do serious harm.

An example of a particularly harmful form of fraud is "homeopathic vaccines" or "nosodes". Which, of course, are totally worthless.

http://vitalitymagazine.com/article/homeopathic-vaccines-an-alternative-to-conventional-needles/

[Razgovory]

Religion is fraud on a much grander scale and having many more negative consequences than homeopathy.

The anti-vaccine movement seems like it has a quite a lot of negative consequences.  Interesting fact:  The counter-religion movement in Republican Spain killed more people in under 3 years then the Spanish Inquisition did in over 300.

[Razgovory]

Contradictory results.  Best answer:  The Godfather.

Raiders of the Lost Ark. Though Godfather was very good.

Yeah, you gave like four answers.  Indiana Jones, Star Wars, the Godfather and something else.

[Barrister]

An example of a particularly harmful form of fraud is "homeopathic vaccines" or "nosodes". Which, of course, are totally worthless.

http://vitalitymagazine.com/article/homeopathic-vaccines-an-alternative-to-conventional-needles/

Why did you link to a story that says homeopathic vaccines are safe and effective?

[Razgovory]

An example of a particularly harmful form of fraud is "homeopathic vaccines" or "nosodes". Which, of course, are totally worthless.

http://vitalitymagazine.com/article/homeopathic-vaccines-an-alternative-to-conventional-needles/

Why did you link to a story that says homeopathic vaccines are safe and effective?

To demonstrate that people such a thing exists?

[Malthus]

An example of a particularly harmful form of fraud is "homeopathic vaccines" or "nosodes". Which, of course, are totally worthless.

http://vitalitymagazine.com/article/homeopathic-vaccines-an-alternative-to-conventional-needles/

Why did you link to a story that says homeopathic vaccines are safe and effective?

To demonstrate that some people actually claim that? Of course we know full well they aren't "effective", any more than water is.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/health/vaccine-alternatives-offered-by-homeopaths-irresponsible-1.2852408

[The Brain]

An example of a particularly harmful form of fraud is "homeopathic vaccines" or "nosodes". Which, of course, are totally worthless.

http://vitalitymagazine.com/article/homeopathic-vaccines-an-alternative-to-conventional-needles/

Why did you link to a story that says homeopathic vaccines are safe and effective?

To demonstrate that some people actually claim that? Of course we know full well they aren't "effective", any more than water is.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/health/vaccine-alternatives-offered-by-homeopaths-irresponsible-1.2852408

Why do you link to a story that says homeopathic vaccines are unsafe and ineffective?

[dps]

If the person has a minor psychosomatic complaint, feeding them water pills does no harm (fraud or not). However, if they are taking water pills for a serious condition, it can harm them significantly, because they won't get the treatment they actually need. I have no confidence that practitioners of this particular fraud have the training or inclination to say 'woah, you have a serious condition. Don't take these placebos, get yourself to a real doctor'.

As best as I can tell, the vast majority of homeopathic practitioners are not deliberately defrauding people;  they actually believe the nonsense that they spout.  Given that, of course they're not going to send you to a real doctor.

[The Minsky Moment]

The anti-vaccine movement seems like it has a quite a lot of negative consequences.  Interesting fact:  The counter-religion movement in Republican Spain killed more people in under 3 years then the Spanish Inquisition did in over 300.

I don't understand this post.  The first sentence has nothing to do with the second which seems to be a  non sequiturs.   And I don't get the connection between the Inquisition and the Spanish Civil War.

[Eddie Teach]

I believe Raz has a running feud with Marty(and Viking before) over religion.

[Razgovory]

The anti-vaccine movement seems like it has a quite a lot of negative consequences.  Interesting fact:  The counter-religion movement in Republican Spain killed more people in under 3 years then the Spanish Inquisition did in over 300.

I don't understand this post.  The first sentence has nothing to do with the second which seems to be a  non sequiturs.   And I don't get the connection between the Inquisition and the Spanish Civil War.

You don't see any connection between the Spanish Inquisition and a social movement in Spain to counter the effects of organization and religious philosophy that began the Inquisition in that country?

[11B4V]

I believe Raz has a running feud with Marty(and Viking before) over religion.

[11B4V]

The anti-vaccine movement seems like it has a quite a lot of negative consequences.  Interesting fact:  The counter-religion movement in Republican Spain killed more people in under 3 years then the Spanish Inquisition did in over 300.

I don't understand this post.  The first sentence has nothing to do with the second which seems to be a  non sequiturs.   And I don't get the connection between the Inquisition and the Spanish Civil War.

You don't see any connection between the Spanish Inquisition and a social movement in Spain to counter the effects of organization and religious philosophy that began the Inquisition in that country?

[DGuller]

Interesting fact:  the Franco-Prussian War killed more people in 9 months than the Third Punic War killed in three years.

[11B4V]

Interesting fact:  the Franco-Prussian War killed more people in 9 months than the Third Punic War killed in three years.