Russian boots on the ground in Syria, fighting for Assad

Started by jimmy olsen, September 02, 2015, 08:43:29 PM

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I look forward to reports of 10 ISIS dudes taking out the entire 14th Guards Tank Army.
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Quote from: Valmy on September 02, 2015, 09:04:10 PM
I look forward to reports of 10 ISIS dudes taking out the entire 14th Guards Tank Army.

That's why the Russians send troops instead of just weapons.
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Let's be honest.  Does anyone actually have a problem with this?
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Syt

Quote from: DGuller on September 02, 2015, 10:30:20 PM
They're just on vacation in Syria.  :mad:

This. I'm sure that the Russian ministry of defense has ensured semi-plausible deniability.
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Syt

Here you go. It's all Western propaganda.

http://www.rt.com/op-edge/314151-russia-military-media-hysteria/

QuoteBogus reports as part of Western media war

The whole point of western propaganda war is just to get things out there, no matter if they can be disproven later, says Richard Spencer of AlternativeRight.com. Some media report on "facts" in a way that suits their government's foreign policy agenda.

Israeli news site Ynet News, citing unnamed Western diplomats, reported Monday that Russia began "military intervention" in Syria and deployed fighter jets and helicopters to a government airbase near Damascus to launch attacks against ISIS and rebel-aligned targets.

The Kremlin has dismissed the allegations, saying "One shouldn't believe these reports."

Earlier, a Forbes Magazine report on alleged Russian army casualties in Ukraine citing a dodgy Russian website sparked a media and Twitter storm.

READ MORE: 'What happened to standards of journalism, 'trusted' Western media?'

RT:According to the latest article, Russia is "sending jets to Syria" to fight ISIL, and moreover, Iran is cooperating with them and the US knows all about it. How do you feel about this story?

Richard Spencer: I would first point out that this Ynet story is actually the number one story on Google news when you google Russia and Syria. So this is not some alternative media blog – this is a major part of the propaganda war. In some ways it comes out of an alternative universe, and it is not coming from universe we live in. Russia, as opposed to the US, has been the power that has really stressed stability, and stressed diplomacy. Russia has prevented a war in Syria in 2013, or at least you could say that it played indispensable role in preventing what would be yet another catastrophic endless conflict in that region.

Yes, I think it's a part of a propaganda war, it is part of a certain faction in the US that wants the Shia and Sunni to be going at it endlessly, that actually wants chaos in the region, that thinks that it is good for Israel, or some other's interest. The whole point about a propaganda war is of course not that it is true, and it is not even that you can't debunk it later; the whole point of the propaganda war is to get it out there. So you have things like "weapons of mass destruction," you have things like "Vladimir Putin ordered a plane to be shut down in Ukraine," and so on, and so on. These things can be disproven; these things turn out to be bogus. But the whole point is to get them out there. They are kind of percolating throughout the media and through people's minds in the west. And that is mainly what the story was about.

RT:In many cases, like in the aforementioned story, the alleged evidence proved to be bogus. Why supposedly credible news organizations are not doing fact-checking before publication?

RS: Unfortunately, not all news organizations are really concerned about the truth and about getting it right, and about digging in. There are certainly a lot of news organizations that are simply interested in sensation for sensation sake. But also there is quite a bit of organizations that are really connected with governments and connected with specific factors or movements within governments. You can see this with the conservative media in the US – they have a very specific foreign policy agenda; they are going to report on the "facts" in a way that supports that agenda. And that agenda, of course, is more war that they think will benefit the US or Israel. But you have to think: the media is very often an arm of governments, an arm of movements within governments. And that is most likely what we're seeing today with this Ynet story.

The statements, views and opinions expressed in this column are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of RT.



"The whole point of western propaganda war is just to get things out there, no matter if they can be disproven later" - I think they accidentally mixed up "western" and "Russian" in translation.
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Valmy

QuoteYes, I think it's a part of a propaganda war, it is part of a certain faction in the US that wants the Shia and Sunni to be going at it endlessly, that actually wants chaos in the region, that thinks that it is good for Israel, or some other's interest.

I love how there is this incredibly dangerous faction that is responsible for everything yet the Russians respect its privacy so will not name any names or give any details on what this faction is. I am moved by their discretion.

It is a double secret probationary faction.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

Caliga

Quote from: Razgovory on September 03, 2015, 12:24:50 AM
Let's be honest.  Does anyone actually have a problem with this?
Well I for one would rather Assad win the war than ISIS. :hmm:
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KRonn

Quote from: Caliga on September 03, 2015, 09:42:54 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on September 03, 2015, 12:24:50 AM
Let's be honest.  Does anyone actually have a problem with this?
Well I for one would rather Assad win the war than ISIS. :hmm:

Agreed. It seems that this news may not be correct but I wouldn't care much if Russian troops and/or equipment did join to assist Assad. I wouldn't have thought that a few years ago but after the mess, failed terror group state Libya is turning into, plus the rise if ISIS, I figure that Syria would be the same. I'd now rather that Syria/Assad can prevail.

Caliga

Just like we should have stood up Gadhafi, we should have stood up Assad, too.... and should have left Saddam Hussein in power.
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KRonn

Quote from: Caliga on September 03, 2015, 10:10:50 AM
Just like we should have stood up Gadhafi, we should have stood up Assad, too.... and should have left Saddam Hussein in power.

Not sure about Saddam, as him going down also had an effect of Gadhafi changing his ways. Gadhafi had become somewhat friendly to the US and West. He gave up any nuclear or WMD equipment, centrifuges, etc. I believe he was also giving intel on terrorists to the US/West, as those groups were a threat to him also. He had seemed to come around to realizing he was better off not being on the side of radicals. His sons had relations with US officials. It really seems a mistake to have taken him down.