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[garbon]

Yes there is. Democracy and Republican government are impossible under this divisive and destructive doctrine.

there nothing divisive and destructive here.  Except the Spanish government attitude.
If you refuse independance to a people instead of negotiating, what you see is stuff like this.  More&more people flock to the cause and they radicalize themselves.  Next, the Spanish government sends in the army and they're surprise the people react violently.

Yeah because divided ourselves up into more and more states has got to be a win, no?

[Valmy]

Yes there is. Democracy and Republican government are impossible under this divisive and destructive doctrine.

there nothing divisive and destructive here.  Except the Spanish government attitude.
If you refuse independance to a people instead of negotiating, what you see is stuff like this.  More&more people flock to the cause and they radicalize themselves.  Next, the Spanish government sends in the army and they're surprise the people react violently.

Well then when more and more people flock to the cause they can have a 75% mandate with a long list of grievances. But they are not waiting for that are they?

[Valmy]

Yeah because divided ourselves up into more and more states has got to be a win, no?

In smaller states nobody ever disagrees with each other.

[Monoriu]

It is inefficient to have too many small states.  The administrative costs are too high, the possibility of having too many different sets of rules is too high, it does not facilitate trade, etc. 

[mongers]

It is inefficient to have too many small states.  The administrative costs are too high, the possibility of having too many different sets of rules is too high, it does not facilitate trade, etc.

Mono culture?

[MadImmortalMan]

It is inefficient to have too many small states.  The administrative costs are too high, the possibility of having too many different sets of rules is too high, it does not facilitate trade, etc.

Many smaller states are less efficient but more stable and resistant to shock.

[The Brain]

It is inefficient to have too many small states.  The administrative costs are too high, the possibility of having too many different sets of rules is too high, it does not facilitate trade, etc.

The cool people agree.

[Duque de Bragança]

It is inefficient to have too many small states.  The administrative costs are too high, the possibility of having too many different sets of rules is too high, it does not facilitate trade, etc.

Mono culture?

Let us start by abolishing the SAR in Hong Kong.

[viper37]

Well then when more and more people flock to the cause they can have a 75% mandate with a long list of grievances. But they are not waiting for that are they?

so, they should wait until the Spanish government acts like the Syrian government before they even think of independance?

[viper37]

Yeah because divided ourselves up into more and more states has got to be a win, no?

Ideally, one central government taking care of some core issues while other levels organize their own things.
Or a trully multi-ethnic/cultural government when a country is composed of many cultures, but you usually don't see that.  I don't think I've seen it in history either, where the dominant culture agrees to share power equally with its minorities.

[Valmy]

Well then when more and more people flock to the cause they can have a 75% mandate with a long list of grievances. But they are not waiting for that are they?

so, they should wait until the Spanish government acts like the Syrian government before they even think of independance?

They should wait until they have a reason to be independent and have convinced most of the people that that is a good idea.

[Martinus]

Nationalism sucks. Unfortunately it has proven more resilient than it was thought 50 years ago.

[celedhring]

So, the separatist bloc (JxSí) needed the votes of a small, far left separatist party (CUP) that had vowed that they would never vote for their candidate, who's a pro-austerity conservative.

After 2-3 months of talks, where CUP insisted again and again that JxSí put another candidate forward, ultimately they reached a deal that included a diluted presidency, some token social investment, and reverting some privatizations. CUP presented the deal to their general assembly for approval. The party is deeply divided between the hardcore separatists that are willing to vote for the conservative candidate if it means furthering the road towards independence, and the hardcore anti-capitalists that will never vote for a conservative austerian.

The result of the vote? 1515 yay - 1515 nay 

[Monoriu]

So, the separatist bloc (JxSí) needed the votes of a small, far left separatist party (CUP) that had vowed that they would never vote for their candidate, who's a pro-austerity conservative.

After 2-3 months of talks, where CUP insisted again and again that JxSí put another candidate forward, ultimately they reached a deal that included a diluted presidency, some token social investment, and reverting some privatizations. CUP presented the deal to their general assembly for approval. The party is deeply divided between the hardcore separatists that are willing to vote for the conservative candidate if it means furthering the road towards independence, and the hardcore anti-capitalists that will never vote for a conservative austerian.

The result of the vote? 1515 yay - 1515 nay 

So what happens next?  Flip a coin? 

[celedhring]

The party's leadership will meet next week to decide. It's gonna go down to the wire, since a president must be installed before January 9th or there will be be a repeat election.

The vote was expected to be very close, but no way they haven't rigged it just to take the piss out of the conservatives