Two women pass ranger school

[grumbler]

derspeiss' masculinity is threatened by the femirangers.

Nah, I think it's cute.  I'm just suspicious of this DoD.

Of course.  It is a bureaucracy.  I have no more faith in DoD than I have in Microsoft.

[Legbiter]

Britain's Tri-Service Review has a recent study out on women in ground close combat. Fascinating reading.

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/389575/20141218_WGCC_Findings_Paper_Final.pdf

Mixed-gender combat units have lower survivability, a reduced lethality rate and a reduced deployability rate. And women are more than twice likelier to sustain injuries, etc, etc, etc. 

Mother Nature: Confirmed non-progressive shitlord.

[grumbler]

Britain's Tri-Service Review has a recent study out on women in ground close combat. Fascinating reading.

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/389575/20141218_WGCC_Findings_Paper_Final.pdf

Mixed-gender combat units have lower survivability, a reduced lethality rate and a reduced deployability rate. And women are more than twice likelier to sustain injuries, etc, etc, etc. 

Mother Nature: Confirmed non-progressive shitlord.

Excellent job of selective reading!

Reading without a prior bias, I, of course, get different conclusions (like those stated in the study).  But don't stop being a bigot; it's your most endearing trait here.

[DGuller]

24% of males and 10% of females passed.

That doesn't prove anything.

[Razgovory]

derspeiss' masculinity is threatened by the femirangers.

Nah, I think it's cute.  I'm just suspicious of this DoD.

Of course.  It is a bureaucracy.  I have no more faith in DoD than I have in Microsoft.

I wouldn't have much faith in any organization that employed you either.

[MadBurgerMaker]

Which is why we'll probably eventually hear some anecdotes if my suspicions are correct.

I don't know if it's still like this, but back when I was at Pcola SAR, they used to let female Aircrew and SAR students roll (repeat the course) essentially as many time as it took them to pass (or until they gave up), while the males would get one, MAYBE two shots, before being sent to the fleet or an A school as just a "regular" rating. 

Now aircrew has one specific rating, AW, and AFAIK they don't allow any other ratings, so if you wash out of the program, you might be headed to the fleet as an undesignated sailor, which seems like it would suck pretty hard.  I was an AW back then, but we had several other ratings in with us, as well as the Marines in my aircrew class. 

Marginal female students would have their scores/times/etc rounded up if they we kinda close and had already rolled a couple of times.  Males would get bitched out for only meeting the minimums. Forget any assistance making the program if your scores didn't add up. That, along with the fact that they would allow people who didn't previously know how to swim (!) into the program still makes me question how effective they are.  They're mixed together so they kinda get covered, but still. 

It was a little alarming being able to easily overpower (during pool training, I could have drowned several of them with no problem at all. Not kidding.) these students, and this wasn't limited to females, when they would train with us when they had been doing pretty much nothing but PT and swimming all day while we had been sitting around in an office or hangar watching TV and doing NATOPS "training." I don't want to make it sound like all female students were shit or anything. There were several very good female SAR swimmers in the classes that I saw, as well as some pitifully unqualified dudes, just an example of bending the rules and lowering the standards a little.

[11B4V]

I'm surprised, didn't think I'd see the day. Only 96 of 400 candidates passed, 2 out of the 19 female candidates.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/two-women-make-history-passing-armys-elite-ranger-school-n411506

Good for them.

[crazy canuck]

Britain's Tri-Service Review has a recent study out on women in ground close combat. Fascinating reading.

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/389575/20141218_WGCC_Findings_Paper_Final.pdf

Mixed-gender combat units have lower survivability, a reduced lethality rate and a reduced deployability rate. And women are more than twice likelier to sustain injuries, etc, etc, etc. 

Mother Nature: Confirmed non-progressive shitlord.

You missed the positive and neutral factors which were also identified. Also this report does not address the impact on CE of women who able to pass something as demanding as Ranger training.  If they bring positive influences and they meet the standard where is the downside?

[Eddie Teach]

In general, women have smaller hearts

True. 

[grumbler]

I don't know if it's still like this, but back when I was at Pcola SAR, they used to let female Aircrew and SAR students roll (repeat the course) essentially as many time as it took them to pass (or until they gave up), while the males would get one, MAYBE two shots, before being sent to the fleet or an A school as just a "regular" rating. 

I am as sure as I can be without actual evidence that females got disproportionately greater chances to complete Ranger training than men this cycle, just as I am as sure as I can be without actual evidence that black, Hispanics, etc got disproportionately greater chances to complete Ranger training than men in their first cycle.

That's the way bureaucracy works, and, frankly, given that I saw women introduced to the fleet for the first time firsthand, I think its only fair.  I'd bet that there were more instructors looking to fail them than there were instructors looking to fail any equivalent group of guys.

[grumbler]

In general, women have smaller hearts

True. 

A Brain-worthy quip.

[Scipio]

Two women pass ranger school, and we still can't get Jon Bon Jovi in a helicopter.

[mongers]

Some old soldiers and sailors complaining about slipping standards, it's an institution dating back to .. Marathon perhaps?

IIRC there were some pretty silly extreme endurance marches in the Victorian British army, man I bet those guys, given the chance would bitch about modern SAS selection tasks.

[jimmy olsen]

Mongers!

Looks like women will get their chance to serve as Rangers soon

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/military/military-brass-weighs-opening-combat-jobs-women-n412781

[Legbiter]

You missed the positive and neutral factors which were also identified. Also this report does not address the impact on CE of women who able to pass something as demanding as Ranger training.  If they bring positive influences and they meet the standard where is the downside?

The study is interestingly rather bipolar, the study observations are level 3 shitlord hatefacts but the commentary which ties it together is all frolicking unicorns shitting rainbows in terms of ease of implementation. Seems like 2 factions worked on it, one did the observations (presumably the infantry guys), the other did the editing.