Pope's environmental encyclical: Climate Change a product of human selfishness

[crazy canuck]

Well don't be greedy.  Share with the class.

[Grey Fox]

I don't like taking work away from lawyers tho.

Transfer the burden of the cost of gas to you tax heaven located shell subsidiary and ask for a refund of the tax since it's not located in Canada nor does it do business in Canada.

[crazy canuck]

I don't like taking work away from lawyers tho.

Transfer the burden of the cost of gas to you tax heaven located shell subsidiary and ask for a refund of the tax since it's not located in Canada nor does it do business in Canada.

The tax is on consumers.  Even tourists have to pay it.

[Grey Fox]

Oh!

Find another customer pass the burden unto them just like the cies do.

[Berkut]

THis is an idiotic argument.

You are basically saying we should not tax this because the tax you imagine will be poorly written and it will be easier to avoid than comply, hence nobody will comply.

Sure, that is possible - but it is an equally (in)valid argument for every possible tax or regulation imaginable.

[crazy canuck]

Oh!

Find another customer pass the burden unto them just like the cies do.

Sure, even if that occurs there is still an extra cost incurred to someone which creates the market incentive for alternative energy products to be developed.  The goal isn't to maximize tax revenue.  The goal is to create the market conditions for alternative energy products to be developed and flourish. 

[Grey Fox]

A noble goal but what if the means destroy the middle class economy?

[Razgovory]

Then we will all look like silly billies now won't we?

[crazy canuck]

A noble goal but what if the means destroy the middle class economy?

How does that destroy something called a middle class economy?

[The Minsky Moment]

A couple of countries have imposed carbon taxes.  Any analysis which suggest they have been prone to unusually high evasion rates?

[Martinus]

THis is an idiotic argument.

You are basically saying we should not tax this because the tax you imagine will be poorly written and it will be easier to avoid than comply, hence nobody will comply.

Sure, that is possible - but it is an equally (in)valid argument for every possible tax or regulation imaginable.

In fact it is an argument that could be used against every single law ever written.

[viper37]

Why is a carbon tax easier to dodge than a cap on carbon emissions? 

Why is income tax easier to dogde than sales tax?

Presumable, by the time you get into a carbon tax, there'll be thousands of exceptions, and big corporations will hire armies of lawyers, just like they do for their other taxes to try to find loopholes to exploit.

[viper37]

How is it easier to dodge a carbon tax on an end product like the gas pump for example.  I am asking for a friend.

how do you dodge sales tax at the gas pump?

[crazy canuck]

How is it easier to dodge a carbon tax on an end product like the gas pump for example.  I am asking for a friend.

how do you dodge sales tax at the gas pump?

You don't.  That's my point.  I am not sure why you think there is a good analogy with income tax.

[Grey Fox]

A noble goal but what if the means destroy the middle class economy?

How does that destroy something called a middle class economy?

When the price of gas at the pump goes up, the middle class stays home. When the Middle class stays home all facets of the economy suffers.