Pope's environmental encyclical: Climate Change a product of human selfishness

[viper37]

How do we reduce carbon emissions in the developed world, China and India.

- increase electricity production by non fossile fuels and these states should then export, at fair price, their electricity to those who rely on fossile fuels.
- increase public transportation services in big cities, i.e., make them efficient to use instead of trying to screw the automobile driver so he would eventually adopt public transit
- go with the hammer on automobile manufacturers, since they require a bail out every now and then, force them to reduce the emissions of their vehicles.  Well, that's mostly done.
- rework the road system in major cities to avoid unnecessary congestion, wich is done to piss off auto drivers in the first place as a way to force them to use inefficient public transportation
- impose sanctions on goods from countries wich do not adhere to our environmental standards.  When the Chinese realize they can't outsource us the cost of their negligence, they'll start caring.

that's for the non extreme measures.  If you want extremes, a nuke or two on China, in the name of environmental protection, would rally the CdM of this world to the cause.

[viper37]

Joan, I'm pretty sure veep was getting at policies which harness economic incentives.

yes.

Make it a tax, and everyone will try to dodge it, resulting in often counter-productive effort.

[Ed Anger]

I tire of this pope.

[Tonitrus]

I tire of this pope.

Don't go all Henry VIII on us. 

[Razgovory]

Joan, I'm pretty sure veep was getting at policies which harness economic incentives.

yes.

Make it a tax, and everyone will try to dodge it, resulting in often counter-productive effort.

Uh, that's the point.  They dodge the tax by not producing as much carbon.

[Ed Anger]

I tire of this pope.

Don't go all Henry VIII on us. 

I laughed

[The Minsky Moment]

Joan, I'm pretty sure veep was getting at policies which harness economic incentives.

yes.

Make it a tax, and everyone will try to dodge it, resulting in often counter-productive effort.

Why is a carbon tax easier to dodge than a cap on carbon emissions? 

[The Minsky Moment]

Uh, that's the point.  They dodge the tax by not producing as much carbon.

I assume he means fraud/mis-reporting.  But again I don't see how a mandatory cap regime solves that problem.

[Grey Fox]

Joan, I'm pretty sure veep was getting at policies which harness economic incentives.

yes.

Make it a tax, and everyone will try to dodge it, resulting in often counter-productive effort.

Why is a carbon tax easier to dodge than a cap on carbon emissions?

It's not. It's just seems so.

[derspiess]

Well, he still hasn't confirmed whether he shits in the woods

[Admiral Yi]

It's not. It's just seems so.

Why is that? 

[crazy canuck]

Joan, I'm pretty sure veep was getting at policies which harness economic incentives.

yes.

Make it a tax, and everyone will try to dodge it, resulting in often counter-productive effort.

Why is a carbon tax easier to dodge than a cap on carbon emissions?

It's not. It's just seems so.

How is it easier to dodge a carbon tax on an end product like the gas pump for example.  I am asking for a friend.

[Grey Fox]

It's not. It's just seems so.

Why is that?

Because Upper managements motives their teams of accountants & lawyers into doing so, just like they do for every other tax. It's Business as usual.

@CC Hire a tax lawyer.

[crazy canuck]

It's not. It's just seems so.

Why is that?

Because Upper managements motives their teams of accountants & lawyers into doing so, just like they do for every other tax. It's Business as usual.

@CC Hire a tax lawyer.

You want me to pay some guy a bunch of money to tell me there is no way to dodge the carbon tax on gas? 

[Grey Fox]

It's not. It's just seems so.

Why is that?

Because Upper managements motives their teams of accountants & lawyers into doing so, just like they do for every other tax. It's Business as usual.

@CC Hire a tax lawyer.

You want me to pay some guy a bunch of money to tell me there is no way to dodge the carbon tax on gas?

Oh there's a way.