The Off Topic Topic

[jimmy olsen]

This never happened when the Oscar's was so white.



... to far

On a serious note surprised he wasn't walked out, but I guess they knew he was winning an Oscar.

John Wayne had to be held back by six security guards in 1973 to stop him from assaulting a native American actress who asked film makers to stop dehumanizing natives.

[FunkMonk]

Merriam-Webster has come down on the word decimate:

Regarding the Incorrect Use of 'Decimate'
It's totally fine to use 'decimate' as a synonym for 'devastate'. This is why.
The word decimate is what we might delicately refer to as a problem word. It seems to invite spleen, at least on the part of a small but committed group of linguistic enthusiasts who feel that it is often misused. Here is a sample of comments regarding decimate that have been left by our dictionary's users.

What is going on here? Decimate always meant to reduce something by one tenth. I would prove that point to others using M-W. The definition is now changed to match the incorrect common usage?
—User comment, 21 Jan 2014

Why must we change the meaning of a word simply because a large number of people use it incorrectly? There is no reason for the synonyms to be laid out making "decimate" the equivalent of "annihilate". I believe this to be erroneous and in need of correction.
—User comment, 19 Feb 2013

Just because people are uneducated and do not know how to speak English and have a limited lexicon, is no reason for intelligent human beings to add misuse of a word as its meaning.
—User comment, 31 Jul 2014


People love to complain about 'decimate', but they're wrong. Our language includes many words which originally had a specific historical meaning, all of which mean something different in English.

Lest you think that this is the sort of biased sample that one only finds by scrolling through the comments on a dictionary site, one may find similar feelings expressed on Twitter—including one from someone who appears to have ended a romantic entanglement over the matter.

Dear everyone, decimate doesn't mean what you think it means.
—Twitter.com, 25 Mar 2016

I don't like how people use the word decimate. It doesn't mean to wipe things out. Words are precise tools, not blunt instruments.
—Twitter.com, 24 Dec 2015

#GotDumpedBecause I insisted she learn that 'decimate' means to reduce by 1/10. It's doesn't mean wiped out, Vicky!!
—Twitter.com, 31 Jul 2015

The issue that many people have with the decline and fall of the word decimate is that is once upon a time it had a very singular meaning, a meaning that is in danger of being lost forever to the vandals and barbarian hordes who are manhandling the English language through using this word to mean "to destroy a large number of." The specific complaint is that decimate had the specific meaning, in ancient Rome, of killing one of every ten soldiers, as a form of military punishment. There are, it must be said, some problems with the argument that this is the only correct meaning today.

The first problem is that even if decimate did refer to the practice of killing one of every ten soldiers in Roman times, it did so in the service of Latin, not English. We have many words in English that are descended from Latin but which have changed their meaning in their travels. We no longer think of sinister as meaning "on the left side," even though that was one of the word's meanings when it existed in Latin.

Another problem with insisting that decimate should have but a single meaning is that very few words in English retain but a single meaning. An enormous percentage of the items in our vocabulary are capable of semantic multitasking. When a person uses a tricky word such as when, a, person, use, tricky, or word, all of which have multiple meanings, we use context to understand the speaker's intent. So it is with decimate:

"When Pilgrims came to North America, it was often described as an inhospitable wilderness. Malaria, smallpox and yellow fever decimated immigrants (not to mention untold millions of Native Americans)."
— Jonah Goldberg, Los Angeles Times, 2 Jul. 2013

Was the sense meaning "to select by lot and kill every tenth man of" the original use of decimate in English? Yes, it was, but not by much. Our earliest record of this meaning is from the end of the 16th century; by the beginning of the 17th century the word had already taken on an additional meaning ("to tithe"). Furthermore, the word decimation, meaning "a tithing," had been in use for about 60 years before decimate began to be used in any fashion.

Perhaps you are one of those true stalwarts who will refuse to be swayed by any argument in this regard, and have resolved not only to continue to use decimate in this way but also to tell those who do not that they are wrong. In that case you deserve applause and support.

Come to think of it, you deserve more than that—you deserve an ovation. Except that the original meaning of ovation in English was "a ceremony attending the entering of Rome by a general who had won a victory of less importance than that for which a triumph was granted," so I guess we can't use that word.

No matter, we can say that if you stick to your guns you will surely have a triumph. Wait—the first meaning of triumph was "a ceremony attending the entering of Rome by a general who had won a decisive victory over a foreign enemy," so let's not use that.

As it turns out, decimate is hardly the only word in English that once had a precise single meaning dealing with Roman history; it just is the only one that people like to complain about. For those who truly believe that words which started out in English having a single meaning that pertains to ancient Rome should remain that way forever, the following list of such will come in handy:

Century: "a subdivision of the Roman legion."
Forum: "the marketplace or public place of an ancient Roman city forming the center of judicial and public business."
Tribune: "a Roman official under the monarchy and the republic with the function of protecting the plebeian citizen from arbitrary action by the patrician magistrates."
Missiles: "Gifts thrown to the crowds by Roman emperors."
Actor: "In Roman law, one that conducts a legal action."
Legion: "the principal unit of the Roman army comprising 3000 to 6000 foot soldiers with cavalry."

Hope that helps.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/the-original-definition-of-decimate

[crazy canuck]

I am decimated

[Josquius]

Using decimate to mean devestate is a handy way to spot wannabe smart guys who get off on being right all the time.
Its original meaning is one of those facts that is well known enough that anyone who is remotely into general knowledge is aware of it but still niche enough that most people don't just know it.

Love this one.

Why must we change the meaning of a word simply because a large number of people use it incorrectly?

Great identification there of how languages work.

[Duque de Bragança]

Missiles: "Gifts thrown to the crowds by Roman emperors."
Missiles: "Gifts thrown to the crowds by Roman emperors."
Legion: "the principal unit of the Roman army comprising 3000 to 6000 foot soldiers with cavalry."

Hope that helps.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/the-original-definition-of-decimate

 

Not really, since the meaning of legion given as an example is still the most common one, unlike Missile (very rare).

As for tribune, several latin words merged into tribune in English (French still keeps tribun/tribune distinct).

Decimalisation still a problem in English, as with the metric system I see. 
At least Brexit will solve the matter. 

[Sheilbh]

Merriam-Webster has come down on the word decimate:

Yeah I've always thought it was mad pedantry to moan about the way it's used now - that's what language is. It changes.

I mean not least because "decimate" actually enters into English to describe a tax or tithe of 10% and only later gets used in the Latin military sense when engaging with military texts and has changed again. It might even change in the future.

[Duque de Bragança]

Décima is still used in that tax sense in Portuguese (distinct from tithe dízimo from the same etymon).

[FunkMonk]

Sometimes I appreciate the pedantry because it is useful and fun to know where words come from, but people can go overboard, yeah.

[Duque de Bragança]

People can go overboard by mixing up pedantry and etymology, no question about that. 

[The Brain]

Tribune: "a Roman official under the monarchy and the republic with the function of protecting the plebeian citizen from arbitrary action by the patrician magistrates."

The English speaker who established this meaning was a bit weird. Would have been worth commenting on this peculiar use of the term.

[Josquius]

On the ukraine war. I note no outrage from dragon ball fans on the Z theft.

[grumbler]

Merriam-Webster has come down on the word decimate:


https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/the-original-definition-of-decimate

  Again?  They did this with the same article some time ago (and it was discussed here, as I recall).  Languish search doesn't show it, so maybe it wasn't here, but I know I read this article before.

[Duque de Bragança]

On the ukraine war. I note no outrage from dragon ball Z fans on the Z theft.

Fixed!

Dragon Ball did not start with Dragon Ball Z, Marie-Ségolène. 

[Eddie Teach]

As a fan of Zorro, I am outraged by the theft of Z by Dragon ball.

[garbon]

Merriam-Webster has come down on the word decimate:


https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/the-original-definition-of-decimate

  Again?  They did this with the same article some time ago (and it was discussed here, as I recall).  Languish search doesn't show it, so maybe it wasn't here, but I know I read this article before.

I posted it on the 4th of March and then you followed up about decibels.