The Off Topic Topic

[HVC]

They're horrible. They're like toy money.
Plus Churchill. Really not the face modern Britain should be putting forward

You're really just a terrible person aren't you Tyr.

Who doesn't like Churchill???

Churchill has plenty to dislike.

There's a very good chance that tyr doesn't share the same reasons as other people who dislike Churchill.

[Habbaku]

Tyr barely shares the same basic understanding of reality as other people, so that seems fair.

[derspiess]

They're horrible. They're like toy money.
Plus Churchill. Really not the face modern Britain should be putting forward

OMG I LOVE THEM EVEN MORE NOW

[Barrister]

They're horrible. They're like toy money.
Plus Churchill. Really not the face modern Britain should be putting forward

You're really just a terrible person aren't you Tyr.

Who doesn't like Churchill???

Churchill has plenty to dislike.

Oh I know - he had a complicated life with lots of ups and downs.

But his finest hour was WWII.  I still cannot see how anyone, while acknowledging his flaws, would dislike Churchill.

[alfred russel]

But his finest hour was WWII.  I still cannot see how anyone, while acknowledging his flaws, would dislike Churchill.

I don't think Hitler was a fan.

[Barrister]

But his finest hour was WWII.  I still cannot see how anyone, while acknowledging his flaws, would dislike Churchill.

I don't think Hitler was a fan.

Reductio ad hitlerum.

[jimmy olsen]

I say we do the old German Dooshmark thing, where the bigger the denomination the bigger the bill.  $1,000 bill = 11" x 17" landscape

Korean money works like that too, so blind people can handle it. The bills are different colors too.

[Josquius]

They're horrible. They're like toy money.
Plus Churchill. Really not the face modern Britain should be putting forward

You're really just a terrible person aren't you Tyr.

Who doesn't like Churchill???

Indians.
Bangladeshis.
Australians.
Irish.

Scratch beneath the shallow popular image and he is quite a dastardly figure.

[Tamas]

Reading the first volume of his biography sure deepens the picture about him: he was recklessly ambitious and one must realise that while he was a great orator, a lot of his famous phrases had probably way more to do with his short-term political interests than any deep-rooted beliefs.

On the other hand, he was truly a statesman, and it would be a bit foolish to consider personal ambition as a vice in political leaders, as they would never get even close to leadership without a considerable drive of personal ambition and glory-seeking. It's just how it works.

[Josquius]

Which gives some credence to the conspiracy theories that his radically anti Indian stance in the 30s was just part of him trying to set himself up as a natural fascist leader for the UK.

He was probably just a natural racist though. Even by the standards of the time.

[Tamas]

So did he close some coal mines or what? 

[Valmy]

Tyr barely shares the same basic understanding of reality as other people, so that seems fair.

Wow you are not kidding.

Which gives some credence to the conspiracy theories that his radically anti Indian stance in the 30s was just part of him trying to set himself up as a natural fascist leader for the UK.

Well that is a new one.

He was probably just a natural racist though. Even by the standards of the time.

I have no idea what this means.

Anyway they should have Nigel Farage on all the bills, he is the true face of modern Britain not Churchill.

[Jacob]

Well that is a new one.

Always good to expand your horizons

He was probably just a natural racist though. Even by the standards of the time.

I have no idea what this means.

That Churchill was more racist than average for the time, and that that racism was genuinely held rather than a pose for political expedience. Personally I have no opinion on the matter, but Tyr's post doesn't seem that hard to parse.

[Valmy]

Always good to expand your horizons

If you say so. I think bad information and conspiracy theories shrink your horizons, not expand them.

That Churchill was more racist than average for the time, and that that racism was genuinely held rather than a pose for political expedience. Personally I have no opinion on the matter, but Tyr's post doesn't seem that hard to parse.

That would have made sense. The 'just a natural racist' was the part I did not understand.

I have heard many Churchill speeches and read lots of him and I don't get the 'OMG this guy is a raging white supremacist that dwarfs everybody else in the era from 1890-1960' but I admit my knowledge is not unlimited. But Churchill did have a bad habit of going on late night benders and then writing crazy shit that his staff would then have to go edit out later so probably some great racist shit there.

[Valmy]

Reading the first volume of his biography sure deepens the picture about him: he was recklessly ambitious and one must realise that while he was a great orator, a lot of his famous phrases had probably way more to do with his short-term political interests than any deep-rooted beliefs.

Well he was manic depressive wasn't he? He just couldn't stop himself.