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[Jacob]

We don't tie ourselves into knots over head coverings per se.  We do over coercion and a law who's basis is uncontrollable male lust targeting women.

Seems to me that in most cases where that is claimed it is a post-fact rationalization covering more general anti-muslim sentiment.

[dps]

I read most of the Koran.

Aa has a copy.  Don't know how much of it she's read.  I've read very little of it.

[Admiral Yi]

Seems to me that in most cases where that is claimed it is a post-fact rationalization covering more general anti-muslim sentiment.

Present your evidence.

[derspiess]

That's the official line, yes.

What do you mean?

Yeah I don't get that either. The official line seemed pretty clear that modest dress and a head covering of some sort was an obligation to women. This seems to be departing from that.

Granted I am not some Islamic expert.

It's what I've gleaned from speaking to Muslim guys and attending classroom lectures on Islam.  It's not there to control women-- oh, no no no-- it's there so men are able to control themselves.  If anything, it's to *protect* women

[Jacob]

Seems to me that in most cases where that is claimed it is a post-fact rationalization covering more general anti-muslim sentiment.

Present your evidence.

Present yours.

[derspiess]

I read most of the Koran.

Aa has a copy.  Don't know how much of it she's read.  I've read very little of it.

I attempted to read it-- got about 1/3 the way through and gave up.  Everything seemed a bit random and disjointed to the point of inflicting pain.  Perhaps it was a bad translation, dunno.

[derspiess]

Seems to me that in most cases where that is claimed it is a post-fact rationalization covering more general anti-muslim sentiment.

Present your evidence.

Present yours.

SHIT JUST GOT REAL

[DGuller]

We don't tie ourselves into knots over head coverings per se.  We do over coercion and a law who's basis is uncontrollable male lust targeting women.

Seems to me that in most cases where that is claimed it is a post-fact rationalization covering more general anti-muslim sentiment.

I think a far bigger problem, at least among educated circles, is rationalizing away elements of intolerance and closed-mindedness.  It's okay to be intolerant of intolerance;  in fact, that's the only way to defend the idea of tolerance in the long run.

[Admiral Yi]

Present yours.

The statements of various people who have spoken or written about Muslim head coverings.

[Razgovory]

Seems to me that in most cases where that is claimed it is a post-fact rationalization covering more general anti-muslim sentiment.

Present your evidence.

Crazy Ivan

[Valmy]

It's what I've gleaned from speaking to Muslim guys and attending classroom lectures on Islam.  It's not there to control women-- oh, no no no-- it's there so men are able to control themselves.  If anything, it's to *protect* women

I don't know. I thought there was something about being modest and humble that women had to do in there someplace.

Yeah I thought that the above reasoning didn't shine a good light on the practice. If there are criminals walking around you lock them up, you don't lock up their victims.

[Valmy]

We don't tie ourselves into knots over head coverings per se.  We do over coercion and a law who's basis is uncontrollable male lust targeting women.

Seems to me that in most cases where that is claimed it is a post-fact rationalization covering more general anti-muslim sentiment.

I personally find those kinds of requirements pretty obnoxious in any religion.

[Jacob]

Present yours.

The statements of various people who have spoken or written about Muslim head coverings.

Yeah me too.

[Syt]

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[CountDeMoney]

You people and your stupid fucking commas.  That's why I couldn't cut Business Statistics the first time, fucking kraut exchange professor fucking my shit up.  1 is not written like ꓥ, godammit.