The Off Topic Topic

[Admiral Yi]

Jeez

[Jacob]

That's my point.  People could stock up on baby formula.  But they don't.  Anti gouging laws are a requirement for stores to do your emergency stocking for you.  What do they get out of that?

My main point is that there is a difference between anti-gouging laws as i understand them (dealing with temporary spikes in markets due to emergencies) vs things like rent control (which are intended to be long term solutions).

As for your argument against anti-gouging laws, I've known you long enough to know I can't change your point of view.

We have some fundamental differences in our understandings of morality and social reality, and we've been over them enough times. I'm content to leave it at that.

[Admiral Yi]

wuss

[Jacob]

Typically it goes just like the above exchange.

I write a bunch trying to engage in some level detail and nuance, and you come back with a couple of words or maybe sentences if you're feeling exceptionally garrolous.

In the end, you stick to your "so what if people die, it's not my problem" econ 101 libertarian principles - often without without acknowledging the points I make (as in the above exchange).

I'm fine with not changing your mind, but when you put 1/10th of the effort in I do and don't actually add anything to make it an interesting conversation for me, why bother?

You put in next to zero effort. Why should I? What's my quid pro quo?

[Grey Fox]

 

Sorry, Jake.

[Admiral Yi]

Typically it goes just like the above exchange.

I write a bunch trying to engage in some level detail and nuance, and you come back with a couple of words or maybe sentences if you're feeling exceptionally garrolous.

In the end, you stick to your "so what if people die, it's not my problem" econ 101 libertarian principles - often without without acknowledging the points I make (as in the above exchange).

I'm fine with not changing your mind, but when you put 1/10th of the effort in I do and don't actually add anything to make it an interesting conversation for me, why bother?

You put in next to zero effort. Why should I? What's my quid pro quo?

I added that it is not the storeowner's moral responsibility to stock emergency supplies for you.  How does that not make interesting?  How is it possible to find a point dull but not dismissable?  You offer no refutation, you just opt out.

It's just a variation on the meritless bad faith argument.  Any time you respond to me with a point that I have no response to, I can just claim it's dull.

[Jacob]

I don't follow.

[Admiral Yi]

I don't follow.

My thesis is that when one is presented with a counter-argument they have three choices: they can refute the counterargument, they can concede the counterargument and incorporate it into their own thinking, or they can embrace cognitive dissonance and ignore.  That seems like the base rule of the dialectic to me.  Every point based on logic, reason, data and evidence must be acknowledged, under penalty of exiting the dialectic and proceeding on the basis of another system, perhaps religion, perhaps custom, perhaps ideology.

[Valmy]

I know farm prices suddenly crashed after WWI, but I was not aware price floors were tried to address that.

i somewhat mispoke.  Roosevelt limited agricultural output to prop up prices.  Surely you've seen the pictures of pouring milk into the ground and destroying potatoes.

Ok I do vaguely remember that. I thought we were talking about some policy that was brought to an end by the Great Depression not some New Deal thing.

I guess if we ever find ourselves in a deflationary spiral again the government could be tempted to try something like that. But even there actively destroying supply seems like a better option than just setting minimum prices 

[Barrister]

I tried Five Guys here once, was also not very impressed (we have IMO better alternatives, like a decent smash burger place now, or Weinschenke's burgers). Especially not for the price. And fully agreed on the salty fries. Jesus fucking Christ. Speaking of - that one burger place has fries how I love them. They double fry them, and they're nice and crunchy without being greasy.

I went to Five Guys once.  I thought it was really quite good.  The fact they dump extra fries in your bag was a nice touch.

The prices though!  It was what you'd pay at a proper sit-down restaurant, not a "fast casual" joint.

[Zanza]

Regional elections in Saxony and Thuringia today.

In Thuringia, the fascists got 33.5%, the conservatives 24.5%, Putin stooges 14.5%, former communists 11.5%, social democrats 6.5%.

In Saxony, conservatives 32%, fascists 31.5%, Putin stooges 11.5%, social democrats 7.5%, greens 5%.

Will be tough to form governments in both states as the other parties are not willing to govern with the fascists.

[Josquius]

There's a difference between fascists and Putin stooges?

[Syt]

Putin Stooges = Far Left (ex-SED) and a more left faction that split off from them

[Admiral Yi]

Nuke it from orbit.

[Razgovory]

There's a difference between fascists and Putin stooges?

No.  The Stop the War coalition and the like are fascists.