The Off Topic Topic

[viper37]

Just found this newspaper clip about the Titanic:




Explanation:
At 5:40 a.m. (Olympic's time), Asian, in a position report to Olympic, stated she was towing a disabled oil tanker to Halifax. Almost simultaneously Olympic received an inquiry from another station inquiring, "Are all passengers safe?" The two messages overlapped and were misinterpreted by amateur eavesdroppers to indicate that "Titanic is in tow to Halifax with all passengers safe." This false information was printed by several newspapers and raised hopes that disaster had been averted.

[crazy canuck]

I read it all....What  I said is the truth.

What you said is your opinion. And not particularly one shared by employers, as is made clear by the article and the trend of employers requiring employees to work, at least hybrid hours, and return to the office.

No?
Its said right there in the article. Hybrid for people living locally. Not a complete move back to in-office for all.

Yes, it does say that for that one company and then the article goes on to speak more generally about the debate, that's the part I encouraged you to read.

This also speaks of hybrid working for Google and Amazon. And GAFAM are in a bit of a special place compared to others in that they have a huge recruitment pull in their own right.
If these guys are just pushing hybrid....

Yes, I think that is the point, even in tech (and one company that relies on people working remotely to use their product), companies are requiring some attendance back at the office.

That is the trend.

[Josquius]

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Yes, I think that is the point, even in tech (and one company that relies on people working remotely to use their product), companies are requiring some attendance back at the office.

That is the trend.

I would say the point is the opposite. It's not even in tech they're doing some in office.
It's more that even in these big famous companies that have people queuing up to work there they are doing some remote.

The return to office after covid was the original plan. The trend is the other way with some remote continuing indefinitely.
 

[Grey Fox]

I wasn't sceptical CC. I live it. I go in the office 4 times a week. Luckily, it doesn't mean I have to do 80% of my hours in the office.

[Iormlund]

I enjoy being at the office, but I'm considering applying for a hybrid role just so I can come and go whenever I please.

[crazy canuck]

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Yes, I think that is the point, even in tech (and one company that relies on people working remotely to use their product), companies are requiring some attendance back at the office.

That is the trend.

I would say the point is the opposite. It's not even in tech they're doing some in office.
It's more that even in these big famous companies that have people queuing up to work there they are doing some remote.

The return to office after covid was the original plan. The trend is the other way with some remote continuing indefinitely.
 

The companies who continue to allow full remote are the outliers, not the trend.

The vast majority require office attendance now.  And the trend is to requiring more days in the office.

I am not sure what you have in mind when you say there is a trend going the other way.

[Josquius]

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Yes, I think that is the point, even in tech (and one company that relies on people working remotely to use their product), companies are requiring some attendance back at the office.

That is the trend.

I would say the point is the opposite. It's not even in tech they're doing some in office.
It's more that even in these big famous companies that have people queuing up to work there they are doing some remote.

The return to office after covid was the original plan. The trend is the other way with some remote continuing indefinitely.
 

The companies who continue to allow full remote are the outliers, not the trend.

The vast majority require office attendance now.  And the trend is to requiring more days in the office.

I am not sure what you have in mind when you say there is a trend going the other way.

100% in office was the norm.
Now most companies are only asking for a few days in the office.
This is a trend towards hybrid and away from in office.

[DGuller]

I remember watching some random Youtube video about some very young influencer, which painted a picture thatyou would expect when a human with age in single digits because super rich.  The story ended on a rather concerning note involving family dispute and coded cries from help.  Now she and her brother are dead.   

[crazy canuck]

100% in office was the norm.
Now most companies are only asking for a few days in the office.
This is a trend towards hybrid and away from in office.

I think you missed a step.  Pre Covid you are correct, most employers required most employees to work in the office.   You are incorrect that it was 100%. There were a number of employers that provided for some remote work, and particularly with regional sales people who were located outside the city where the company had its main offices.  But I agree that sort of thing was not the norm.

The step you are missing is that during COVID we went to a large percentage (again not 100% but something close) of remote work in offices. 

And so we have gone from close to 100% remote work to something that is much closer to 30-40% remote work.  That is the trend, and  I would not be surprised if that percentage continues to shrink in the coming years.

[Tamas]

You guys are like stock market speculators using different time scales for technical analysis and then having an argument on who is reading things right.

If you draw your start of trend from the pandemic lockdowns then yes CC is right there has been a dramatic increase in office attendance compared to that.

If you start drawing the trend line from anywhere before the pandemic, the shift to hybrid/remote work has been seismic and barring a severe technological degradation in society, we are never going back to close to pre-pandemic levels. White collar jobs not allowing at least hybrid work will become very rare and the bottom of their field in terms of talents working there.

[DGuller]

Ironically it will be the white collar workers who started out their career working remote that would wind up being the bottom of their field, and thus being forced to take job that would put them in the office.

[Josquius]

I'd say covid was an artificial blip and there was never any intention of it lasting forever.
From the start of lockdown the message was we will be back to normal and 100% in office (yes. Exceptions existed. I mean 100% of most people's time) soon...
 But as time went on it became clear this wasn't going to happen. Change was here to stay.
 This artificial blip to an extreme situation had actually greatly sped up the longer term trend, the only question was how much.
As things stabilise it's pretty clear the answer is - a lot. With even most major employers embracing a hybrid model and many others realising even up to full remote works.
Not officially offering at least some decent hybrid greatly damages a company's recruitment prospects.

[Oexmelin]

Presidential candidate Villavicencio killed in Ecuador.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/world/article-ecuadorean-candidate-fernando-villavicencio-killed-at-campaign-event/

[HVC]

Guess they should ask El Salvador for the blue prints for a giant jail.

[Threviel]

In my mind I'm more efficient at different things at the office and at home so hybrid works well for me.

But for those companies where remote is just as productive, what's the deal with making people go back to office? It can't just be a question of rent can it? The companies that down-sizes offices would have an advantage against those that don't so pure competition would favour remote work wouldn't it?