The Off Topic Topic

[Legbiter]

Become part of Norway isn't the main thing they're looking at at all.

The original dowry Christian I was supposed to pay was 60,000 guilders. So couldn't Shetland and Orkney chip in and repay Holyrood the sum?   Although what 60,000 guilders in 1468 amounts to today I've no idea.

[Josquius]

Any idea on the story about that? Seems odd theyd just forget to pay.

[Legbiter]

Seems Christian I was broke and never paid even the first installment.    Orkney and Shetland kept it's regular lögmenn (lawmen) officials, local things, etc, except they started billing the Scottish King and pretty much affairs were left as is for the next century or so. The bishopric of Orkney also came under St. Andrews after the annexation. The Norwegian archbishop of Trondheim doesn't appear to have even noticed.

[Josquius]

 
Love the nobody noticing.
Then again I guess the Scandi church wasn't the most with it - losing Greenland for centuries is well known.

Sounds like good foundations for the plot of a comedic fantasy novel. A little land that gets annexed by bookkeeping and nobody notices until insert fantasy element here.

[Sheilbh]

Seems Christian I was broke and never paid even the first installment.    Orkney and Shetland kept it's regular lögmenn (lawmen) officials, local things, etc, except they started billing the Scottish King and pretty much affairs were left as is for the next century or so. The bishopric of Orkney also came under St. Andrews after the annexation. The Norwegian archbishop of Trondheim doesn't appear to have even noticed.

And the Sinclairs who were the Earls of Orkney (both for the Norwegians and Scots at different points) are still a very big local family. Until 2015 the Lib Dem MP for Caithness, Sutherland and Easter Ross was John Thurso, who I think is head of clan Sinclair. He's now back in the House of Lords (and apparently chair of Visit Scotland) and his grandfather, Archibald Sinclair was leader of the Liberals until 1945 and Minister for Air in the wartime coalition cabinet.

The local lords never changed and I think they were always basically hedging between the Danes, Norwegians and Scots.

The area's still full of their old (mostly ruined) castles on cliffs, lots of Sinclair tartan about etc - and just lots and lots of Sinclairs

[Syt]

William II died in a hunting accident. This old illustration has strong "Guess I'll die" energy.





Though admittedly this one is also awesome:

[Legbiter]

Love the nobody noticing.
Then again I guess the Scandi church wasn't the most with it - losing Greenland for centuries is well known.

The Pope did make enquiries in Iceland after 30 years had passed and no word from the Greenland bishopric. And the Danish crown tried to send 3 expeditions in the following centuries to Greenland but they all failed for various reasons. Whalers started showing up back in Greenland about a century after contact with the Norse there was lost but nothing they saw made it's way to the Danish court except rumors.

There were fears that the Norse there had reverted back to paganism in the meantime, or worse, remained Catholic still so Hans Egede finally travelled there in 1721.

[Legbiter]

The local lords never changed and I think they were always basically hedging between the Danes, Norwegians and Scots.

The area's still full of their old (mostly ruined) castles on cliffs, lots of Sinclair tartan about etc - and just lots and lots of Sinclairs

Awesome. 

A cursory glance at the Clan Sinclair page shows them deftly backing the right horse through the centuries.

[Sheilbh]

There were fears that the Norse there had reverted back to paganism in the meantime, or worse, remained Catholic still so Hans Egede finally travelled there in 1721.

This happened with some of the Outer Hebrides - I think South Uist, especially - where the whole Reformation basically by-passed them. So you have these very Scottish, Gaelic speaking islands that are just very traditional Catholic, e.g. loads of roadside shrines and massive statues of Mary on the tallest hills


And they're right next to islands with the most fire-breathing wee free version of Presbyterianism - the sort of places that chain up playgrounds on a Sunday. But the Catholic islands just kind of got missed by history.

[Richard Hakluyt]

Oscar Wilde had something to say about this : "To lose one diocese , Archbishop, may be regarded as a misfortune; to lose two looks like carelessness."

That would be Lady Bracknell upbraiding the Archbishop of Trondheim.

[HVC]

And they're right next to islands with the most fire-breathing wee free version of Presbyterianism - the sort of places that chain up playgrounds on a Sunday. But the Catholic islands just kind of got missed by history.

History missed them but heaven will embrace them



I wonder how many people were one those islands when the Protestant wave rolled over the land. Might be why it was missed.

[Duque de Bragança]

Little Englanders are quite fond of French the language if not France. It vibes with their traditional classism.

If true, you would be worse than Little Englanders, a possibility I had not entertained yet I must confess.
First time I hear a British subject speaking of little Englanders as quite fond of another culture, specially one often involved historically against Albion.

My distaste for French is based on sound knowledge and experience

Sound ignorance of the language and experience, for sure. Even for an Anglo, you suck dramatically at French.

Yeah, you've shown before your hate for macron is such you'll make up all manner of odd things about him (I still remember you claiming the political compass was a French invention...).
But whether macron is nice or not is irrelevant. He could be the best or the worst president ever. Seems unlikely to have much to do with the recruitment and behaviour of rank and file cops.

So far, he beat Hollande's impopularity.  Quite in a good position for the worst president ever. Never in a position to be the best ever.

I might dislike him yet it does does not cloud my mind.
Unlike you, a self-professed Thatcher hater (fine by me), worshipping a Thatcher fanboi.

Guess your memory has reached drunken chav level again. I specified THAT political compass, the one about Zupiter, in French, which had some different examples of Macro-demagoguery, compared to the English one, more significant or well-known among the French public.

As for Zupiter having no influence, see Sheilbh's answer.

The cop who fired the shot did not get the "innocent until proven guilty" treatment from both Macron and Darmanin, based on the video which is incriminating but not enough per se.
It pissed off police unions which made them publish that statement referred above.

[Duque de Bragança]

I've long had a view that we should be teaching a Scandinavian language as a first foreign language.

Choose Icelandic, for fun. 

[Josquius]

If true, you would be worse than Little Englanders, a possibility I had not entertained yet I must confess.
First time I hear a British subject speaking of little Englanders as quite fond of another culture, specially one often involved historically against Albion.

Not fond of French = worse than fascists 

Sound ignorance of the language and experience, for sure. Even for an Anglo, you suck dramatically at French.

1: I've never used French here. You don't know my level.
2: I've never claimed to be good at French. Quite the opposite.
3: Most Anglos know half a dozen words... I'm pretty comfortable that I'm towards the top of the pile as far as Anglos and French goes, as much as that's a pretty shit contest.

So far, he beat Hollande's impopularity.  Quite in a good position for the worst president ever. Never in a position to be the best ever.

Considering this is France we are talking about he's really going to have to pull out something special to have a shot at worst president ever.

I might dislike him yet it does does not cloud my mind.
Unlike you, a self-professed Thatcher hater (fine by me), worshipping a Thatcher fanboi.

You're accusing someone who has no strong views or interest in macron of worshipping him.... That does show your views are quite clouded here.

Guess your memory has reached drunken chav level again. I specified THAT political compass, the one about Zupiter, in French, which had some different examples of Macro-demagoguery, compared to the English one, more significant or well-known among the French public.

It was clearly based off the American one popular online.

Choose Icelandic, for fun.   

Would kind of defeat the purpose as fun as it would be. Maybe as an option for the top students :p

[Duque de Bragança]

1: I've never used French here. You don't know my level.

From the multiple basic misconceptions of the French language you used and the fact you complain all the time about its perceive difficulty, it's easy to know it's not that great as in worse than usual for Anglos.
 

2: I've never claimed to be good at French. Quite the opposite.

Neither did I claim it. No argument about the later, see above.

3: Most Anglos know half a dozen words... I'm pretty comfortable that I'm towards the top of the pile as far as Anglos and French goes, as much as that's a pretty shit contest.

The Anglos we got here do better, so no top of the pile for you, sorry.

Considering this is France we are talking about he's really going to have to pull out something special to have a shot at worst president ever.

He is already there. He will really have to pull out something special to have a shot at not being the worst president ever. Not even Hollande can save him this time.
See his record low rates of approval and informed opinions.

The guy entered politics to fight the rise of the far-right yet brought them record levels, nearly killing the mainstream left-wing and right-wing parties.
So far, worst president ever. Economics, his theoretical forte is not that much better, with record debt, not all linked to Covid. Hollande-like level. He was minister of Finance for him, remember. He ended up terminating the need for Euroscart inputs on TV. Yay!

You're accusing someone who has no strong views or interest in macron of worshipping him.... That does show your views are quite clouded here.

You always react whenever there is any criticism of Macron, even valid; that's quite close to worshipping him, at the very leadt. Which does not make sense since he is a Thatcher fanboi, a politician you hate.
The incoherence is on your side.
Had you not strong views or interest in Jupiter, you would not react the way you do.

It was clearly based off the American one popular online.

Moving goal posts again? That French compass was too Franco-centric to be American.

Would kind of defeat the purpose as fun as it would be. Maybe as an option for the top students :p

Precisely why I chose it!  I could not resist. You could have specified "but Icelandic".

Classically-educated people at Eton and the like would not be so disadvantaged, of course. Hardly a benefit.