The Off Topic Topic

[The Larch]

Are you 100% sure that you're going to live the rest of your life in the UK? Do you get to keep your Hungarian citizenship?

Is anyone 100% sure about anything other than death and taxes?  That's rather a silly threshold to ask about.  What if he's 94% sure?  What difference would that make?

Whatever, change that for a suitable adverb, or just omit it entirely. He's the one doing planning for the rest of his life.

[grumbler]

Whatever, change that for a suitable adverb, or just omit it entirely. He's the one doing planning for the rest of his life.

Understood.  I was taking your words too literally, then.

[Tamas]

Yes I can be a dual citizen and I am planning to, as with the political situation as it is, I don't want to lose my ability in a decare or two to freely enter Hungary whenever I please.

I don't think it is wise to plan to settle for good in any country and not aspire to gain citizenship there. Why would you lock yourself in a second-class status?

[The Brain]

Yes I can be a dual citizen and I am planning to, as with the political situation as it is, I don't want to lose my ability in a decare or two to freely enter Hungary whenever I please.

I don't think it is wise to plan to settle for good in any country and not aspire to gain citizenship there. Why would you lock yourself in a second-class status?

As a citizen of nowhere you won't be reviled by UK mouthbreathers.

[The Larch]

I don't think it is wise to plan to settle for good in any country and not aspire to gain citizenship there. Why would you lock yourself in a second-class status?

My brother has been living in Austria for years, has bought a flat there, is getting married to an Austrian later this month and has a 2 y.o. kid with her already, and he has no intention whatsoever to become Austrian. Is he being unwise, then?

[Grey Fox]

I don't think it is wise to plan to settle for good in any country and not aspire to gain citizenship there. Why would you lock yourself in a second-class status?

My brother has been living in Austria for years, has bought a flat there, is getting married to an Austrian later this month and has a 2 y.o. kid with her already, and he has no intention whatsoever to become Austrian. Is he being unwise, then?

Yes.

[The Larch]

I don't think it is wise to plan to settle for good in any country and not aspire to gain citizenship there. Why would you lock yourself in a second-class status?

My brother has been living in Austria for years, has bought a flat there, is getting married to an Austrian later this month and has a 2 y.o. kid with her already, and he has no intention whatsoever to become Austrian. Is he being unwise, then?

Yes.

Why?

[Grey Fox]

I don't think it is wise to plan to settle for good in any country and not aspire to gain citizenship there. Why would you lock yourself in a second-class status?

My brother has been living in Austria for years, has bought a flat there, is getting married to an Austrian later this month and has a 2 y.o. kid with her already, and he has no intention whatsoever to become Austrian. Is he being unwise, then?

Yes.

Why?

For one, you are arm straining yourself to not have a voice in the democracy you live in. That is insensible to me, to shut your self out of the local politics.

Also, it leaves you open to having the government kick you out. Maybe you are right & if the government becomes that hostile, you will not want to stay but better to manage the risk now than have consequences dropped on you.

[The Larch]

I don't think it is wise to plan to settle for good in any country and not aspire to gain citizenship there. Why would you lock yourself in a second-class status?

My brother has been living in Austria for years, has bought a flat there, is getting married to an Austrian later this month and has a 2 y.o. kid with her already, and he has no intention whatsoever to become Austrian. Is he being unwise, then?

Yes.

Why?

For one, you are arm straining yourself to not have a voice in the democracy you live in. That is insensible to me, to shut your self out of the local politics.

Also, it leaves you open to having the government kick you out. Maybe you are right & if the government becomes that hostile, you will not want to stay but better to manage the risk now than have consequences dropped on you.

Being within the EU changes a lot of that rationale, as he's covered. Can't vote for national elections, though, I give you that.

[Grey Fox]

EU membership is temporary.

[The Larch]

EU membership is temporary.

At this point in history, not really. We're not talking about the UK.

[DGuller]

You seem to have a rather weird hostility to people getting citizenship in other countries.  When you're living in an adopted country, you will always have a sense of being "other", but why exacerbate it by not even trying to be part of the club? 

On a practical level, you will always be potentially subject to some bullshit that may be minor for citizens but deportable for you, and your exposure to that bullshit can change on a political whim.  Feeling like a nomad is no way to go through life if you can avoid it.

[The Larch]

You seem to have a rather weird hostility to people getting citizenship in other countries.  When you're living in an adopted country, you will always have a sense of being "other", but why exacerbate it by not even trying to be part of the club? 

On a practical level, you will always be potentially subject to some bullshit that may be minor for citizens but deportable for you, and your exposure to that bullshit can change on a political whim.  Feeling like a nomad is no way to go through life if you can avoid it.

I have to leave shortly, but I'll come back to this later. 

[mongers]

You seem to have a rather weird hostility to people getting citizenship in other countries.  When you're living in an adopted country, you will always have a sense of being "other", but why exacerbate it by not even trying to be part of the club? 

On a practical level, you will always be potentially subject to some bullshit that may be minor for citizens but deportable for you, and your exposure to that bullshit can change on a political whim.  Feeling like a nomad is no way to go through life if you can avoid it.

I think you guys have pressed someone's button.   

[Iormlund]

I'm with Larchie.

I didn't feel treated like a second class citizen when I lived in Germany. I'm an EU citizen, which allows me to do anything short of voting in the national elections in any EU country. My only barrier was language, and that's something I could and would have changed had I stayed there.

My brother has been living there for five years now. He just bought a flat. As far as I know he has no plan to become a German citizen. It would make sense for his wife though (she's Turkish).