The Off Topic Topic

[Habbaku]

What do you think 'racist' means?

I think he's using it as a synonym for conservative now.

Hint to GF: "bigoted" is acceptable and more accurate terminology. Racist doesn't mean whatever you think it means.

[Grey Fox]

Not strong enough.

[Valmy]

I really don't get the rights obsession with those people into gender politics and non binary gender identity whatnot. You'd think they were running the world rather than being just a handful of harmless oddballs you're unlikely to ever run into.

That doesn't seem a fair characterization. After all, it's the left that made "non-binary gender identity" a thing.

This sentence makes no sense. What wasn't a fair characterization?

[DGuller]

I really don't get the rights obsession with those people into gender politics and non binary gender identity whatnot. You'd think they were running the world rather than being just a handful of harmless oddballs you're unlikely to ever run into.

I think people are taking issue with the thought process.  Having two and just two mutually-exclusive genders seems like one of the basic givens in the understanding of many people.  If that can be defined away, then pretty much anything can be defined away.

[Valmy]

I really don't get the rights obsession with those people into gender politics and non binary gender identity whatnot. You'd think they were running the world rather than being just a handful of harmless oddballs you're unlikely to ever run into.

I think people are taking issue with the thought process.  Having two and just two mutually-exclusive genders seems like one of the basic givens in the understanding of many people.  If that can be defined away, then pretty much anything can be defined away.

The Romans had three though.

Though I don't know if any actual people claimed the neutral gender at the time

[Tamas]

I really don't get the rights obsession with those people into gender politics and non binary gender identity whatnot. You'd think they were running the world rather than being just a handful of harmless oddballs you're unlikely to ever run into.

I think people are taking issue with the thought process.  Having two and just two mutually-exclusive genders seems like one of the basic givens in the understanding of many people.  If that can be defined away, then pretty much anything can be defined away.

Yeah I guess, Especially if you have trouble differentiating the concept of sex and gender (which I do).


I guess it would be easier in a gender-neutral language like Hungarian. In English it's more complicated if you want to properly reference a guy in women's clothing or vica-versa. In Hungarian it largely doesn't matter what the person identifies as simply because your words referring him/her would be the same. Doesn't make the society any more tolerant though, of course.


The amount of interest from both political sides vs. the actual size of the impacted community is just insane.

For the far-right, it's easy to understand. They are bigots and they are in general against everything that makes people happy and self-fulfilled so of course they are going to vehemently oppose such a thing. Nothing to analyse there really.

On the left it ss really now on quasi-religious grounds. Like how a lot of advocates seem to become their own parodies. Like arguing for gender-fluidity. I am sorry but if you are different genders at different times that's on you, but there cannot be created society-wide norms to accomodate your whims.

Also for the side who says gender shouldn't be deterministic and categorising in society, they sure are eager to create a whole set of categories and rules for society to follow.

[derspiess]

Okay.  Giving him a mulligan on this one.

gee thanks asshole.

Glad you're okay

[Valmy]

On the left it ss really now on quasi-religious grounds. Like how a lot of advocates seem to become their own parodies.

Well that is a real problem. The fanatics hijack things because they just care much more than anybody else and because they are so righteous there is little to moderate them.

[Tamas]

On the left it ss really now on quasi-religious grounds. Like how a lot of advocates seem to become their own parodies.

Well that is a real problem. The fanatics hijack things because they just care much more than anybody else and because they are so righteous there is little to moderate them.

It will be interesting to see if it becomes like on the Right where the radicals have completely managed to set the agenda and have politically destroyed their own moderates, in the US at least.

[garbon]

On the left it ss really now on quasi-religious grounds. Like how a lot of advocates seem to become their own parodies.

Well that is a real problem. The fanatics hijack things because they just care much more than anybody else and because they are so righteous there is little to moderate them.

It will be interesting to see if it becomes like on the Right where the radicals have completely managed to set the agenda and have politically destroyed their own moderates, in the US at least.

I think one can have respect for transgender individuals and allowance for them to identify as they want without having to agree fundamentally with the underlying foundation. As you note, such activists seem to be re-affirming traditional gender boundaries (a necessary condition to being able to say that you know you are actually of a gender opposite to that delineated at birth) which , if not at odds, is at least some part removed from the notion that anyone should be able to perform any sort of previously gendered behavior.

[Josquius]

One foolproof way to figure out if someone is French, no matter how fluent their English, is the use of the word normally for probably.
I've never met a French speaker who doesn't do this.
And watching a French show on Netflix with English subtitles I find even the English subtitles made this mistake

[Eddie Teach]

I really don't get the rights obsession with those people into gender politics and non binary gender identity whatnot. You'd think they were running the world rather than being just a handful of harmless oddballs you're unlikely to ever run into.

That doesn't seem a fair characterization. After all, it's the left that made "non-binary gender identity" a thing.

This sentence makes no sense. What wasn't a fair characterization?

That "the right" is obsessed.

[Josquius]

I really don't get the rights obsession with those people into gender politics and non binary gender identity whatnot. You'd think they were running the world rather than being just a handful of harmless oddballs you're unlikely to ever run into.

That doesn't seem a fair characterization. After all, it's the left that made "non-binary gender identity" a thing.

Except the left hasn't done that. The majority on the left don't think about such things at all.
It's a group of fringe odd balls who put a lot of thought into such things. Not at all mainstream.
It's like making fun of Conservatives because they think the world is flat.

[celedhring]

Getting PSOE out of Andalucía was necessary after 40 years of uninterrupted rule. With the far right? Not so much.

"We'll clean up the bedsheets of the hotel, but sorry no blacks allowed from now on".

Far right at 11% is manageable, you would have somewhat of a point, had Vox assumed power.

Btw, somebody please tell PSOE Madrid to avoid doing a Merkel and recklessly open borders, this will help against the far-right, and/or listening to the Vox Populi (pun intended sorry) too.
I see these merry clowns fellows at Vox are Macron compatible, economics-wise, à la Jairzinho. At least, they are not obnoxious evangelicals, that has to count for something.
Their very conservative view of society (ahem) should make them popular with the average muslim voter too, this give them a multiculti bonus. So not all is bad

Well, thing is we actually do need immigrants. Spain's population pyramid is tragic. All these punks voting for anti-immigration parties are going to have a laugh when they reach retirement age.

I'm also worried that this result will be translated into the general election, and the far right will hold the key for deciding the next Spanish government.

Half of the stuff in their political platform is, incidentally, unconstitutional. But they also want to abolish the Constitutional Court so that's the problem taken care of 

[Grey Fox]

One foolproof way to figure out if someone is French, no matter how fluent their English, is the use of the word normally for probably.
I've never met a French speaker who doesn't do this.
And watching a French show on Netflix with English subtitles I find even the English subtitles made this mistake

Which show you watching?