EU Immigration Crisis Megathread

[Valmy]

Incidentally, I read today that the Syrian refugees we are getting are actually more likely to be upper middle class/elite - since they are the ones that actually could afford paying the human traffickers and the like. Coupled with the fact that Syria has been quite secular compared to other Middle Eastern countries, I will wait for some hard evidence before accepting by faith a claim that the refugees are, by large, some uncouth fundamentalist savages.

We have had nothing but good experiences with their Lebanese counter-parts.

[Valmy]

Well, if we wanted to stop barbaric culturally foreign non-European peoples migrating to our areas and settling in, we should have thought about it when Magyars invaded Pannonia - now the genie is out of the bottle.

The whole continent should have been walled off in the year 500. What you mean 'our areas' Slavic heathen 

"Slav" comes from "slave" and slaves built the Roman Empire. I want Italians to pay us reparations.

Pretty sure that came from all the Slavs captured by the Tartars and sold to the Turks. You should be asking Turkey and Mongolia for those reparations

Wait did the Venetians also use Slavs to row their galleys? Don't know. You may be able to go after the Italians after all.

[Martinus]

Zeit.de cites a Polish poll: 68% of the Poles fear that refugees bring religious conflicts to their country, and 58% are afraid of terrorist attacks.

Well, it does not help when pretty much all major political parties tout that view.

[Martim Silva]

The fears of the Bavarian school mearly represent what is bound to happen: local ways will have to give ground to the ways of the newly arrived.

That said, with 72% of the migrants being men, it goes without saying that all those migrant women and girls are in the front lines to getting raped, once they are put in the refugee centers.

The Women's Council of Hessen made a non-public letter to the local goverment regarding the situation of women in the local center, where women and girls now live in terror and get raped regularly. They appeal to the authorities to separate the genders.

(it is really just a matter of time until all those men turn their attentions to German girls).

The Council put initially the letter here: http://lfr-hessen.de/galerie/2015/76-buendnis-zur-situation-von-gefluechteten-frauen-und-maedchen-in-den-hessischen-erstaufnahmeeinrichtung-und-deren-aussenstellen.html

but has currently removed it due to "abusive use" (codeword for: "our telling of the truth is being used by non-liberals to show what is really happening, and the authorities don't like it").

Still, there was still time to scan it:

[mongers]

Oh dear, what a sorry post.

[Syt]

A single Afghan woman who applied for asylum in Hungary but traveled on to Austria last October was to be sent back to Hungary. She sued against it and the Austrian Administrative Court sided with her, saying in its verdict that Hungary is no longer safe for refugees due to possible violations of the European Charter of Human Rights in the country. The court quickly added that this was but a single case and that each individual case would have to be judged on its own merit.

[Syt]

http://www.rt.com/news/315431-assad-interview-refugee-terrorists/

'If you are worried about refugees, stop supporting terrorists' - Assad interview

Europe is "not dealing with the cause" of the current refugee crisis, Syrian President Bashar Assad said in an interview with Russian media, RT among them, adding that all Syrian people want is "security and safety."

"It's not about that Europe didn't accept them or embrace them as refugees, it's about not dealing with the cause. If you are worried about them, stop supporting terrorists. That's what we think regarding the crisis. This is the core of the whole issue of refugees.

"If we ask any Syrian today about what they want, the first thing they would say - 'We want security and safety for every person and every family'," the Syrian president said, adding that political forces, whether inside or outside the government "should unite around what the Syrian people want."

The "Syrian fabric," as Assad has called it, includes people of many ethnicities and sects, including the Kurds. "They are not foreigners," the Syrian president said, adding that without such groups of people who have been living in the region for centuries "there wouldn't have been a homogeneous Syria."

Assad said that the dialogue in Syria should be continued "in order to reach the consensus," which cannot be implemented "unless we defeat the terrorism in Syria."

"If you want to implement anything real, it's impossible to do anything while you have people being killed, bloodletting hasn't stopped, people feel insecure," the Syrian president said.

"I'd like to use our meeting today to address all parties in a call to unite in the struggle against terrorism. Only through dialogue and the political process can we reach political goals, that the Syrians should set for themselves," Bashar Assad said.

[Duque de Bragança]

Incidentally, I read today that the Syrian refugees we are getting are actually more likely to be upper middle class/elite - since they are the ones that actually could afford paying the human traffickers and the like. Coupled with the fact that Syria has been quite secular compared to other Middle Eastern countries, I will wait for some hard evidence before accepting by faith a claim that the refugees are, by large, some uncouth fundamentalist savages.

We have had nothing but good experiences with their Lebanese counter-parts.

The one country in the Near East with the most Christians. Guess what, France has not had problems with Lebanese too. Most Lebanese in France are Maronites.

[Norgy]

This handling of this crisis has helped change my view of the Hungarian state; now not sure it was sensible to allowed them into the EU and NATO.

It's reminded me how former foreign minister Thorvald Stoltenberg from Norway risked his life helping Hungarian refugees escape in 1956 and how Europe took them in en masse. We shouldn't have bothered. What a bunch of cunts.

[Savonarola]

Serbia has announced that it will not accept any refugees deported back from Hungary and that it will protect its border with troops if necessary.

Is this how tragedies unfold? One misstep at a time.

Some damned silly thing in the Balkans...

[Martinus]

This handling of this crisis has helped change my view of the Hungarian state; now not sure it was sensible to allowed them into the EU and NATO.

It's reminded me how former foreign minister Thorvald Stoltenberg from Norway risked his life helping Hungarian refugees escape in 1956 and how Europe took them in en masse. We shouldn't have bothered. What a bunch of cunts.

Or you just got all the good ones.

[Martinus]

Isn't it funny, by the way, how the chief opponents of immigrants - even on this forum - come from shitty countries, like Belgium, Portugal, Quebec (or, in a more general sense, not confined to this forum, Hungary or Poland)?

[Duque de Bragança]

I find it quite funny that the most antimmigrant people in this thread are Tamas - a Hungarian who lives in the UK and duque - a Portuguese guy who lives in Paris (and from what I remember from our Languish meet in Paris, he is the one who took us out on a wild goose chase to some area populated by culturally distinct Portuguese Parisians - who felt much more alien than the Lebanese restaurant owners Saladin took us to in London).

Missed this one, but this is even better than when Martinus took a church for a mosque in Paris! 
Actually the area populated by those "culturally distinct Portuguese Parisians" as in playing pétanque or cards on WE and having a beer or a glass of wine, without icicles in it (very culturally different from French no doubt), is at the edge of the Bois de Boulogne, by the XVI district of Paris, near Porte Dauphine, a very bourgeois area. Near the Université Paris Dauphine, former NATO HQ.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/16th_arrondissement_of_Paris

Picture of the area "populated by culturally distinct Portuguese Parisians". Yes, it's a small recreational forest. http://streetviewing.fr/Porte+Dauphine%2C+Paris%2C+France
I wonder what will happen when Martinus notices that his mostly beloved  so-called "Syrian middle class-Elite" is mostly tracksuit crowd and are way more culturally distinct.

That's rich (pun intended) even from a nouveau riche, well known for his classism and (real) champagne left leanings. I suspected our resident Polish bobo would be impressed, since well integrated European working class do not interest bobos at best, and they do not like them at worst, but did not imagine it would be that much. As for the so-called wild goose chase, I remember finding what I looked for so he's talking again out of ignorance.

PS: edit for Garbon

[garbon]

A Euro-off? Vom.

[Savonarola]

Missed this one, but his is even better than when Martinus took a church for a mosque in Paris! 

Was it Sacré Cœur?