EU Immigration Crisis Megathread

[Zanza]

Speaking of cultural differences, I have read that Getmany has stopped railroad traffic from Austria and is planning to reinstate border controls on the Austrian border

What is the "cultural differences" aspect of that? 

[Zanza]

@Zanza, you made the mistake of trying to talk to Andrelvis - he's an arrogant douchebag. He's a Brazilian who came to Austria to study and who stayed for work/marriage, but he's more Austrian than most Austrians now (anti-EU, xenophobe etc.).

Yes, I know. Not sure why I even took his bait. Fuck him.

[Tamas]

Speaking of cultural differences, I have read that Getmany has stopped railroad traffic from Austria and is planning to reinstate border controls on the Austrian border

What is the "cultural differences" aspect of that? 

I was being sarcastic.

[Martinus]

Speaking of cultural differences, I have read that Getmany has stopped railroad traffic from Austria and is planning to reinstate border controls on the Austrian border

What is the "cultural differences" aspect of that? 

I assume Tamas meant that Germany was worthy of ridicule because it did not manage to deal with absolute perfection with an aftermath of egoistical racist Hungarians making the mess.

[Richard Hakluyt]

I'm perturbed by the concept of the Grallon +10 racists 

[Tamas]

I meant that maybe countries and people should refrain from judging something before they have the chance to manage to try it themselves.

Hungary has done many things wrong regarding this crisis, but even if they did everything right it is something very hard to manage if you want to avoid bashing heads in (and you definitely should).
This is evidenced by what is Germany is being forced to do.

[The Brain]

Germans are a Kulturvolk.

[Razgovory]

I meant that maybe countries and people should refrain from judging something before they have the chance to manage to try it themselves.

Hungary has done many things wrong regarding this crisis, but even if they did everything right it is something very hard to manage if you want to avoid bashing heads in (and you definitely should).
This is evidenced by what is Germany is being forced to do.

Okay, we Americans will continue to judge.

[Duque de Bragança]

Yes it's almost as if some European states, peoples or individuals are involved in a competition to see who can be the most callous, whilst simultaneously forgetting their own history.

Forgetting their history? Quite the opposite. The people in France remember the media manipulation around illegals immigrants squatting churches (why not mosques btw?), by playing the old repentance, self-hatred card, while enriching the charity-business and giving PR opportunities for celebrities in need of advertising.
They also know what happens with unrestricted immigration: ethnic enclaves.

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89glise_Saint-Bernard_de_la_Chapelle

L'occupation de l'église en 1996[modifier | modifier le code]
Le 28 juin 1996, trois cents étrangers en situation irrégulière - en majorité des Maliens et des Sénégalais - commencent l'occupation de l'église pour demander leur régularisation. Ils avaient occupé l'église Saint-Ambroise à Paris le 18 mars 1996, mais s'en étaient fait expulser dans l'indifférence après une visite du cardinal Lustiger, qui avait autorisé le curé à donner les clefs à la police5.

Ils avaient ensuite occupé d'autres lieux de la capitale (le gymnase Japy le 22 mars, les locaux de différentes associations, la Cartoucherie de Vincennes le 29 mars, des entrepôts désaffectés de la SNCF le 10 avril5) dont ils se sont faits à chaque fois expulser. Autour de leur action se crée une forte médiatisation. L'expression « sans-papiers » connaît une large diffusion auprès du grand public à la suite de ces occupations6.

Le 23 août 1996 à l'aube, suite à un arrêté d'expulsion (visant l'occupation de l'église) pris d'urgence, sans que l'expulsion soit confirmée par un juge7, près de 1 500 CRS sont déployés8, pour ouvrir à coups de hache la porte de l'église et évacuer les occupants. Au total, l'évacuation de l'église se solde par 220 interpellations, dont 210 sans-papiers (98 hommes, 54 femmes et 68 enfants) qui sont placés dans le centre de rétention de Vincennes. Bien que tous soient en principe menacés d'arrêté de reconduite à la frontière, seules huit personnes le seront effectivement9. Certaines personnes disent que les modalités de cette expulsion sont incompatibles avec une déclaration de Jean-Louis Debré, ministre de l'Intérieur ayant ordonné l'expulsion, selon laquelle ce dernier agirait « avec humanité et cœur »5. Ce jour est devenu une date importante dans le mouvement des étrangers en situation irrégulière en France5.

L'épisode eut un écho international10.

En France, des manifestations rassemblent des dizaines de milliers de personnes contre la politique du gouvernement d'Alain Juppé5. Quelques étrangers en situation irrégulière sont expulsés, mais beaucoup restent, ayant des enfants nés en France, étant mariés, ou travaillant depuis longtemps en France5. En novembre 1997, la Cour de cassation rend un arrêt concernant l'évacuation de Saint-Bernard, jugeant que l'interpellation des personnes sur les lieux et par la suite expulsées était régulière, le fait de manifester publiquement son statut d'étranger autorisant celle-ci au visa de l'art. 8 de l'ordonnance du 2 novembre 194511,7.

[Syt]

Austria is sending the army to the Hungarian border to support the police in dealing with the influx.

[Monoriu]

Are we being a bit too harsh on the Europeans?  I think they are extremely generous and nice.  They are under no obligation to help but they are helping.  They have done a lot but they don't seem to get much gratitude.  All the media is saying is they are callous and not going enough. 

[Eddie Teach]

Are we being a bit too harsh on the Europeans?  I think they are extremely generous and nice.  They are under no obligation to help but they are helping.  They have done a lot but they don't seem to get much gratitude.  All the media is saying is they are callous and not going enough.

Mostly they're being too harsh on themselves. Well, I don't know about Chinese media.

[The Larch]

@Zanza, you made the mistake of trying to talk to Andrelvis - he's an arrogant douchebag. He's a Brazilian who came to Austria to study and who stayed for work/marriage, but he's more Austrian than most Austrians now (anti-EU, xenophobe etc.).

Don't get me started on that guy. He's the living embodiment of the "More popist than the pope" argument.

[Syt]

His patronizing tone is what really gets me

[Martinus]

I find it quite funny that the most antimmigrant people in this thread are Tamas - a Hungarian who lives in the UK and duque - a Portuguese guy who lives in Paris (and from what I remember from our Languish meet in Paris, he is the one who took us out on a wild goose chase to some area populated by culturally distinct Portuguese Parisians - who felt much more alien than the Lebanese restaurant owners Saladin took us to in London).