White woman pretends to be black for prestige

[crazy canuck]

Soul Man

[Ideologue]

One, I'm sure it's not an honest question. Two, one is a sexual identity, which is intimate and determines at a fundamental level how one relates to one's own sexuality (not to mention how others do), while the other is almost exclusively about community identity and social fellowship.

One's about fucking, the other's about hanging out and civic activities.

I think it's about a little more then fucking.  Both issues are centered around an assumed identity.  An identity that in contradicted by physical characteristics. You brought up fucking, so I'll use the same thought experiment I used on Marty. You are are approached by two people, both are naked.  One is a woman and is a man.  The man claims that his physical gender is male but he identifies as female.  Which one are you more likely to find attractive?  Which one will get your dick hard?  If they both offered to have sex with you, which one you choose?

No one likes a lazy t-girl.

Anyway, the answer is I use both in baroque sexual games, ala the happy ending version of No Exit.

[Razgovory]

Think you can run that one by me again?

[Ideologue]

It's a goofy thought experiment. First, trans folk don't just say "Hi, I'm a girl/boy" now. Generally speaking a great, great deal of effort is put into taking on the physical markers of their inwardly-felt gender identity. Partly because people generally like to be and feel sexually attractive, partly to reflect their own sense of gender identity (these two things are theoretically separate, altho I'd guess for a lot of people they're tantamount to the same thing.)

Further, "respecting your identity" and "I'd fuck you" are not entirely coextensive thoughts. Whether I'd fuck a given transwoman is a determination I'd make based on a number of factors, largely revolving around how well she passed and how attractive she was in doing so. Whether I'd refer to her as "she" and treat her female identitification with respect is not a determination I would need to make at all, as it would be my default approach, based on my "don't be a dipshit to people for no reason" philosophy.

[Legbiter]

I stand in solidarity with transblack Rachel Dolezal.

[Razgovory]

It's a goofy thought experiment. First, trans folk don't just say "Hi, I'm a girl/boy" now. Generally speaking a great, great deal of effort is put into taking on the physical markers of their inwardly-felt gender identity. Partly because people generally like to be and feel sexually attractive, partly to reflect their own sense of gender identity (these two things are theoretically separate, altho I'd guess for a lot of people they're tantamount to the same thing.)

Further, "respecting your identity" and "I'd fuck you" are not entirely coextensive thoughts. Whether I'd fuck a given transwoman is a determination I'd make based on a number of factors, largely revolving around how well she passed and how attractive she was in doing so. Whether I'd refer to her as "she" and treat her female identitification with respect is not a determination I would need to make at all, as it would be my default approach, based on my "don't be a dipshit to people for no reason" philosophy.

I have no idea how much work all trans put into their new identity.  You were the one who said this was about fucking.  If you were to actually agree that she was a woman, she wouldn't need to "pass".  You are engaging in double think here.  You can tell yourself that this man is actually a woman, but your dick is saying "nope, that's a dude.  I ain't getting up for that".  Now you can lie to yourself in the interest of progressive thought or respect of her choices but deep down you know she's the not the same as woman.  She's a Transwoman.  And deep down you know they aren't the same thing.

[Barrister]

It's a goofy thought experiment. First, trans folk don't just say "Hi, I'm a girl/boy" now. Generally speaking a great, great deal of effort is put into taking on the physical markers of their inwardly-felt gender identity. Partly because people generally like to be and feel sexually attractive, partly to reflect their own sense of gender identity (these two things are theoretically separate, altho I'd guess for a lot of people they're tantamount to the same thing.)

Further, "respecting your identity" and "I'd fuck you" are not entirely coextensive thoughts. Whether I'd fuck a given transwoman is a determination I'd make based on a number of factors, largely revolving around how well she passed and how attractive she was in doing so. Whether I'd refer to her as "she" and treat her female identitification with respect is not a determination I would need to make at all, as it would be my default approach, based on my "don't be a dipshit to people for no reason" philosophy.

I have no idea how much work all trans put into their new identity.  You were the one who said this was about fucking.  If you were to actually agree that she was a woman, she wouldn't need to "pass".  You are engaging in double think here.  You can tell yourself that this man is actually a woman, but your dick is saying "nope, that's a dude.  I ain't getting up for that".  Now you can lie to yourself in the interest of progressive thought or respect of her choices but deep down you know she's the not the same as woman.  She's a Transwoman.  And deep down you know they aren't the same thing.

There are plenty of "cisgendered" women I have zero interest in sleeping with.

I don't really want to get into my own thoughts on transgenderism, but your thought experiment I'm afraid isn't very helpful.  Men and women don't actually want to have sex with any and all persons of the opposite sex who might wander by.

[Eddie Teach]

Perhaps Raz is saying he finds sleeping with a black girl as distasteful as sleeping with a dude. 

[Razgovory]

It's a goofy thought experiment. First, trans folk don't just say "Hi, I'm a girl/boy" now. Generally speaking a great, great deal of effort is put into taking on the physical markers of their inwardly-felt gender identity. Partly because people generally like to be and feel sexually attractive, partly to reflect their own sense of gender identity (these two things are theoretically separate, altho I'd guess for a lot of people they're tantamount to the same thing.)

Further, "respecting your identity" and "I'd fuck you" are not entirely coextensive thoughts. Whether I'd fuck a given transwoman is a determination I'd make based on a number of factors, largely revolving around how well she passed and how attractive she was in doing so. Whether I'd refer to her as "she" and treat her female identitification with respect is not a determination I would need to make at all, as it would be my default approach, based on my "don't be a dipshit to people for no reason" philosophy.

I have no idea how much work all trans put into their new identity.  You were the one who said this was about fucking.  If you were to actually agree that she was a woman, she wouldn't need to "pass".  You are engaging in double think here.  You can tell yourself that this man is actually a woman, but your dick is saying "nope, that's a dude.  I ain't getting up for that".  Now you can lie to yourself in the interest of progressive thought or respect of her choices but deep down you know she's the not the same as woman.  She's a Transwoman.  And deep down you know they aren't the same thing.

There are plenty of "cisgendered" women I have zero interest in sleeping with.

I don't really want to get into my own thoughts on transgenderism, but your thought experiment I'm afraid isn't very helpful.  Men and women don't actually want to have sex with any and all persons of the opposite sex who might wander by.

And how many men do you have an interest in sleeping with?

[Syt]

[Valmy]

Oh internet

[garbon]

It's a goofy thought experiment. First, trans folk don't just say "Hi, I'm a girl/boy" now. Generally speaking a great, great deal of effort is put into taking on the physical markers of their inwardly-felt gender identity. Partly because people generally like to be and feel sexually attractive, partly to reflect their own sense of gender identity (these two things are theoretically separate, altho I'd guess for a lot of people they're tantamount to the same thing.)

Further, "respecting your identity" and "I'd fuck you" are not entirely coextensive thoughts. Whether I'd fuck a given transwoman is a determination I'd make based on a number of factors, largely revolving around how well she passed and how attractive she was in doing so. Whether I'd refer to her as "she" and treat her female identitification with respect is not a determination I would need to make at all, as it would be my default approach, based on my "don't be a dipshit to people for no reason" philosophy.

I have no idea how much work all trans put into their new identity.  You were the one who said this was about fucking.  If you were to actually agree that she was a woman, she wouldn't need to "pass".  You are engaging in double think here.  You can tell yourself that this man is actually a woman, but your dick is saying "nope, that's a dude.  I ain't getting up for that".  Now you can lie to yourself in the interest of progressive thought or respect of her choices but deep down you know she's the not the same as woman.  She's a Transwoman.  And deep down you know they aren't the same thing.

There are plenty of "cisgendered" women I have zero interest in sleeping with.

I don't really want to get into my own thoughts on transgenderism, but your thought experiment I'm afraid isn't very helpful.  Men and women don't actually want to have sex with any and all persons of the opposite sex who might wander by.

And how many men do you have an interest in sleeping with?

I think it is about time you get fixated on some other sort of thing. You just look worse and worse as you continue this crusade against the transgendered.

[Legbiter]

The hardship is real.

[Richard Hakluyt]

Lot of cis-racial comments in this thread.

[Martinus]

I think it is about time you get fixated on some other sort of thing. You just look worse and worse as you continue this crusade against the transgendered.

I know. It is bordering on obsession for him.