Militarization of South China Sea & East China Sea. Six Wars Necessary

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Monoriu

He talked for three hours.  I kept wishing that you were there.  It would have been a much more lively debate.  I volunteer to do the translation. 

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Agelastus

China does indeed appear to have made reservations to its' ratification of UNCLOS -

QuoteUpon ratification (7 June 1996):

In accordance with the decision of the Standing Committee of the Eighth National People's Congress of the People's Republic of China at its nineteenth session, the President of the People's Republic of China has hereby ratified the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea of 10 December 1982 and at the same time made the following statement:

1. In accordance with the provisions of the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea, the People's Republic of China shall enjoy sovereign rights and jurisdiction over an exclusive economic zone of 200 nautical miles and the continental shelf.

2. The People's Republic of China will effect, through consultations, the delimitation of the boundary of the maritime jurisdiction with the States with coasts opposite or adjacent to China respectively on the basis of international law and in accordance with the principle of equitability.

3. The People's Republic of China reaffirms its sovereignty over all its archipelagos and islands as listed in article 2 of the Law of the People's Republic of China on the territorial sea and the contiguous zone, which was promulgated on 25 February 1992.

4. The People's Republic of China reaffirms that the provisions of the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea concerning innocent passage through the territorial sea shall not prejudice the right of a coastal State to request, in accordance with its laws and regulations, a foreign State to obtain advance approval from or give prior notification to the coastal State for the passage of its warships through the territorial sea of the coastal State.
QuoteDeclaration made after ratification (25 August 2006)

Declaration under article 298:

The Government of the People's Republic of China does not accept any of the procedures provided for in Section 2 of Part XV of the Convention with respect to all the categories of disputes referred to in paragraph 1 (a) (b) and (c) of Article 298 of the Convention.
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Quote from: Agelastus on July 07, 2016, 05:56:00 AM
China does indeed appear to have made reservations to its' ratification of UNCLOS -

QuoteUpon ratification (7 June 1996):

In accordance with the decision of the Standing Committee of the Eighth National People's Congress of the People's Republic of China at its nineteenth session, the President of the People's Republic of China has hereby ratified the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea of 10 December 1982 and at the same time made the following statement:

1. In accordance with the provisions of the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea, the People's Republic of China shall enjoy sovereign rights and jurisdiction over an exclusive economic zone of 200 nautical miles and the continental shelf.

2. The People's Republic of China will effect, through consultations, the delimitation of the boundary of the maritime jurisdiction with the States with coasts opposite or adjacent to China respectively on the basis of international law and in accordance with the principle of equitability.

3. The People's Republic of China reaffirms its sovereignty over all its archipelagos and islands as listed in article 2 of the Law of the People's Republic of China on the territorial sea and the contiguous zone, which was promulgated on 25 February 1992.

4. The People's Republic of China reaffirms that the provisions of the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea concerning innocent passage through the territorial sea shall not prejudice the right of a coastal State to request, in accordance with its laws and regulations, a foreign State to obtain advance approval from or give prior notification to the coastal State for the passage of its warships through the territorial sea of the coastal State.
QuoteDeclaration made after ratification (25 August 2006)

Declaration under article 298:

The Government of the People's Republic of China does not accept any of the procedures provided for in Section 2 of Part XV of the Convention with respect to all the categories of disputes referred to in paragraph 1 (a) (b) and (c) of Article 298 of the Convention.

None of those reservations cover China's basic disagreement with the UNCLOS, though, which is that China holds that any island they declare to generate an EEZ does so, whatever international law actually says (while at the same time denying that Japan can do anything of the sort).
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Quote from: Agelastus on July 07, 2016, 05:56:00 AM
China does indeed appear to have made reservations to its' ratification of UNCLOS -

Not really.
UNCLOS itself prohibits reservations generally.  It does permit signatories to make "declarations" or "statements".  That is what the things you quoted are.  However, UNCLOS provides that declarations and statements are not valid to the extent they "purport to exclude or to modify the legal effect of the provisions of this Convention in their application to that State."

Given that legal background, Mono's admirals statement about reservations to UNCLOS is yet more evidence of the PRC's apparent official policy to disregard their treaty obligations.
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Monoriu

Quote from: The Minsky Moment on July 07, 2016, 06:28:30 PM
Quote from: Agelastus on July 07, 2016, 05:56:00 AM
China does indeed appear to have made reservations to its' ratification of UNCLOS -

Not really.
UNCLOS itself prohibits reservations generally.  It does permit signatories to make "declarations" or "statements".  That is what the things you quoted are.  However, UNCLOS provides that declarations and statements are not valid to the extent they "purport to exclude or to modify the legal effect of the provisions of this Convention in their application to that State."

Given that legal background, Mono's admirals statement about reservations to UNCLOS is yet more evidence of the PRC's apparent official policy to disregard their treaty obligations.

Pretty sure he is army.  The army calls the shots in the PLA. 

jimmy olsen

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This isn't even Kaiserreich "we don't get no respect" type arrogance and diplomatic ineptitude, this is lebensraum level we must wage war on the world stupidity.

http://www.wearethemighty.com/articles/these-are-the-6-wars-the-chinese-think-theyll-fight-in-the-next-50-years

QuoteThese are the 6 wars the Chinese think they'll fight in the next 50 years
by Blake Stilwell by - Jul 5, 2016 2:04:28 pm China, War
In 2013, the China News Service, the second largest state-run media outlet in the People's Republic of China (PRC), published a piece in its Chinese language service with all the promise of a less-than-peaceful rise. China News has a very pro-PRC slant, and this particular piece was no different. Called "Six wars China is sure to fight in the next 50 years," the article alluded to the PRC's pride, shredded after centuries of defeat and embarrassment.


Soldiers of the Chinese People's Liberation Army 1st Amphibious Mechanized Infantry Division prepare to provide Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Adm. Mike Mullen with a demonstration of their capabilities during a visit to the unit in China on July 12, 2011. (DoD photo by Mass Communication Specialist 1st Class Chad J. McNeeley)

China's growth as a global economy boomed under the leadership of Chinese Communist Party leader and President Hu Jintao. Hu stepped down in 2012 and his successor, Xi Jinping, has ideas of a "Chinese Dream," a desire to revitalize the nation and to return China to national glory, perhaps by any means necessary. The article itself could be either bluster or a shared collective feeling, a Chinese "Manifest Destiny." Either way, the Chinese are already anticipating the needs of – and obstacles to – their rise.

1. The Unification of Mainland China and Taiwan
The mainland Chinese do not seem to believe a peaceful unification with the Republic of China (Taiwan) is possible. Taiwanese politicians use the threat of China or the promise of unification as election year stunts but make no real progress on the issue. The PRC sees the existence of Taiwan as a weakness, given that other countries can use their relations with Taipei as leverage in negotiations. The author of the China News piece proposes giving the Taiwanese a referendum by 2020, to vote on peaceful unification or unification by force. They expect the answer will be war.


The Chinese People's Liberation Army's Amphibious Mechanized Infantry

The Chinese expect to win, of course. It's just a matter of time, and that all depends on how much the U.S. and Japan intervene to save Taiwan. The Chinese expect a mainland invasion from the U.S. and will respond with "total war," and believe they can beat Taiwan and its allies in six months. If the United States doesn't intervene, the PRC predicts a three-month victory.

2. The forced acquisition of the Spratly Islands
The Chinese think the forced unification of Taiwan will show the other countries of the region the PRC's resolve in its territorial demands. After a two-year rest from the Taiwan War, the Chinese believe Vietnam and the Philippines will be waiting at the negotiating table to see what the Chinese do, rather than be aggressive or offensive. China will give these countries with territorial claims the option of preserving shares of investments already made in the Spratlys. If not, the Chinese military will take these holdings by force.


A Marine Corps brigade under the Navy of the People's Liberation Army (PLA) conducts amphibious armored training

China also believes its victory in the Taiwan War will have taught the U.S. "a lesson not to confront too openly with China," but knows the U.S. will aid the Philippines and Vietnam under the table, with arms, training, and money. Only the Philippines and Vietnam "dare to challenge China's domination." China will attack Vietnam first (because that worked out so well the first time), in hopes of intimidating other Pacific nations. The PRC's win there will make sure other countries return their claims on the islands and ally themselves with China. This victory also gives the Chinese Navy unfettered access to the Pacific Ocean.

3. Reunification of South Tibet
In 1914, the British and Chinese negotiated the McMahon Line, a legal border between China and India, as part of the Simla Accord. the Simla Accord also carved up Tibet into "Inner" and "Outer" Tibet. Even though the Chinese dispute this line (because they would have to recognize Tibet as an independent state at the time of this treaty), it is the line used on maps between the two countries from 1914 until the Sino-Indian War of 1962. That war changed nothing, except the area once known as the North-East Frontier Agency became known as the Indian state of Arunachal Pradesh. On top of the border dispute, this state now has major hydropower potential.



Despite the 1962 war, the Chinese believe they can beat India and "reconquer" South Tibet by force if they can incite the disintegration of the Indian states, sending arms to Pakistan to retake Kashmir, force a war on two fronts and "blitz" into South Tibet. India will lose this war, and China will join the U.S., Europe, and Russia as global powers.

4. The conquest of the Diaoyu and Ryukyu Islands
By this time, the author predicted three major military wars and some years of rest in between. Now, mid-21st century, China will assert its claim over these two sets of islands. China claims these two chains are ancient vassal states of China's, now occupied by the Japanese (and the Americans, as the base on Okinawa is in the Ryukyus).


Marines of the People's Liberation Army (Navy) (PLA(N)) stand at attention following a demonstration of the brigade's capabilities. (U.S. Marine Corps Photo by Lance Cpl. J.J. Harper)

With its growing worldwide military presences and global prestige, the Chinese will move to occupy the islands. They predict a weakened U.S. will fight alongside Japan, but that Europe and Russia will do nothing, resulting in a Chinese victory within six months.

5. The Invasion of Mongolia
The Chinese refer to Mongolia as "Outer Mongolia," a separate part of China, distinct from the Autonomous Region of "Inner Mongolia," a Chinese province. They assert that the country of Mongolia is a part of China. In the 1600s, it was ruled by the Chinese, but if we're going back in time, the Mongols ruled China for a while.



No matter what we (or the Mongols) think, the Chinese will place a claim on the country shortly after their invasion of Taiwan. Like their invasion of Taiwan, they will offer the Mongolians a referendum to vote on whether their unification with the People's Republic of China. If they vote for peace, Mongolia will be accepted into China. If the Mongols vote for war, the PRC should be prepared to not only invade militarily but also be prepared to fight off foreign aggression against this action. The Chinese believe by this point, they will be so powerful and the U.S. and Russia will be in decline so much, it would be difficult for them to mount anything other than a diplomatic defense.

6. Taking back lands from Russia
Even though the relations between the two countries have recovered since the Sino-Soviet Split during the Cold War, a lot of mistrust remains. In China's view, Russia occupies 1.6* million square kilometers of land belonging to China since the Qing Dynasty, circa 1644. The Chinese author believes by this time (roughly 2045), the Russian government will be in further decline and will take full advantage, especially given the veteran status their military will have after five wars.



The Chinese author asserts "there must be a war with Russia," and should be prepared to use nuclear weapons if the need arises, especially if a first strike to disarm the Russian nuclear arsenal. Once the Chinese neutralize Russian nuclear assets, they believe the Russians will capitulate and hand over the lost Chinese lands.


* I corrected a mistranslation of the number. The article said 160 million sq. kilometers.
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Jacob

Fun stuff Tim. I'm guessing it's mostly intra-factional posturing within the CCP.

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Quote from: 11B4V on June 20, 2016, 07:47:11 PM
:P

I just like how Tim is so matter of fact about a U.S.- Chopstick war. Like he's going to enlist. It won't happen.

He's a cancer survivor, wouldn't pass medical.

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Oh sure China invade all of your neighbors EXCEPT North Korea. Bastards.
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Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on July 07, 2016, 09:57:02 PM
Quote from: 11B4V on June 20, 2016, 07:47:11 PM
:P

I just like how Tim is so matter of fact about a U.S.- Chopstick war. Like he's going to enlist. It won't happen.

He's a cancer survivor, wouldn't pass medical.

Languish can petition a waiver.  :P

Or languish can send him in as an embedded reporter.
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