Militarization of South China Sea & East China Sea. Six Wars Necessary

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The drums beat a little louder.

http://in.reuters.com/article/southchinasea-ruling-idINKCN0ZK03P
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Ahead of key court ruling, Beijing in propaganda overdrive

HONG KONG/LONDON  |  By Greg Torode and Mike Collett-White

As an international tribunal prepares to rule on Beijing's territorial claims in the South China Sea, officials in Washington, Tokyo and Southeast Asia are on tenterhooks.

Yet, in the words of one senior Chinese official, Beijing does not care.

On July 12, the Permanent Court of Arbitration in The Hague will rule on a case brought by the Philippines against China over its territorial claims and actions across the disputed waters and vital global trade route.

Beijing claims some 90 percent of the South China Sea, and the Philippines is challenging it under a United Nations maritime convention.

"We do not know, we don't care, in fact, when this arbitration decision will be made, because no matter what kind of decision this tribunal is going to make, we think it is totally wrong," China's ambassador to the UK, Liu Xiaoming, told Reuters at a recent lunch in London.

"It has no impact on China, on China's sovereignty over these reefs, over the islands. And it will set a serious, wrong and bad example. We will not fight this case in court, but we will certainly fight for our sovereignty."

Beijing's plans to ignore the ruling would represent both a rejection of the international legal order and a direct challenge to the United States, which believes China is developing islands and reefs for military, as well as civilian purposes in a threat to stability.

It would also significantly raise the stakes over dispute, according to lawyers, diplomats and security experts.

How Washington handles the aftermath of the ruling is widely seen as a test of its credibility in a region where it has been the dominant security presence since World War Two against an increasingly assertive China.

China in turn sees this as a matter of defending its territorial and political sovereignty against the United States.

Other nations laying claim to disputed areas of the South China sea felt emboldened to challenge China because they felt they had the United States on their side, Liu said.

"They probably believe that they have America (behind them) and they can get a better deal with China. So I'm very suspicious of America's motives."

So while Beijing scoffs at the imminent decision, it is also making an international PR effort to get its view heard.

Beijing has organised meetings with diplomats and journalists and has expressed its views in a slew of editorials and academic papers around the world.

"Manila has no leg to stand on," said one report in the China Daily's inaugural New Zealand edition.

Asian and Western diplomats said their Chinese peers were raising the issue constantly, and at all levels.

"It's relentless. We haven't seen anything like this in years," said one Asian-based Western envoy.

China says more than 40 countries back its position that such territorial disputes should be handled through bilateral discussions not international arbitration, although only a handful of countries have publicly voiced their support.

Both Chinese and Western analysts say the ruling is not just about the territorial claims in the South China sea, but speaks to broader Sino-U.S. tensions over China's rise.

"This is about exposing Washington's declining primacy," said Zhang Baohui, a mainland security expert at Hong Kong's Lingnan University. "China gains reputational power by showing the U.S. that it can't dictate Chinese actions."

   

ARGUING THE CASE

The law under which the Philippines has made its claim is the UN's Convention on the Law of the Sea, known as UNCLOS, which outlines what can be claimed from different geographic features such as islands and reefs. China is a signatory of the convention, one of the first international agreements it helped negotiate after joining the UN.

But Beijing says the issue is beyond the remit of UNCLOS and The Hague court because China has undisputable, historic rights and sovereignty over much of the South China Sea.

China's claims are expressed on its maps as the so-called nine dash line, an ill-defined U-shaped demarcation drawn up after the defeat of Japan in World War II.

Manila's case is based around 15 points that challenge the legality of China's claims and its recent reclamations on seven disputed reefs in the fishing and energy rich region.

It also seeking support for the Philippines' right to exploit is 200-nautical mile exclusive economic zone (EEZ).

Sources close to Manila's legal team said they are confident of favourable rulings on enough points to create significant pressure on China's future moves in the waterway.

Many of Manila's arguments in court last November were couched in arcane legal terms, but to drive home the point about the scale of China's on-going building works, lawyers used a slide show.

Amsterdam's sprawling Schiphol airport was shown fitting neatly into China's new runways on Subi Reef.

"We knew the judges had all used Schiphol," said one source close to Manila's case. "We think they got the point."

   

UNITED RESPONSE?

Ahead of the vote, the UK, Australia and Japan are among countries that have joined Washington in stressing the importance of freedom of navigation and respect for the rule of law.

U.S. officials have also been pressing Southeast Asian nations to forge a united front on the issue, with limited success so far.

Vietnam, which has made a submission to the panel not ruled out taking its own legal action, on Friday called for a "fair and objective" ruling from the tribunal.

The G7 and EU groupings have stated that ruling must be binding, despite China's objections, while Vietnam gave a submission to the court supporting its jurisdiction.

Legal experts say that while the ruling is technically binding, no body exists to enforce UNCLOS rulings. 

Concerns are growing among regional military and government officials that, regardless of the ruling, Beijing could launch fresh military action and re-building efforts to buttress its claims.

China may deploy fighter jets or missiles to its new facilities on the Spratlys, create an air exclusion zone or starting fresh reclamation work on shoals occupied within the Philippines, U.S. and regional military officials say.

Beijing says the reefs are Chinese territory and it is entitled to station "self-defence" equipment on its holdings as it sees fit to counter U.S. provocation.

In Washington, concern is particularly acute over whether China attempts to make permanent its sea-borne presence near the Scarborough Shoal, near the Philippines, by building on the reef.

Liu outlined various civilian developments completed and underway in the South China Sea. He said there were also military facilities being built, adding:

"I was asked why China is also building military facilities. You should ask the Americans. They made us feel threatened. It's not we (who) are threatening the Americans. They are so close to us."

The United States has been increasing its own military presence in the region where Malaysian, Vietnam, Brunei and Taiwan also have claims. France has also proposed to European countries that they take part in joint South China Sea patrols.

U.S. responses could include accelerated freedom-of-navigation patrols by U.S. warships and overflights by U.S. aircraft as well as increased defence aid to Southeast Asian countries, according to U.S. officials speaking on the condition of anonymity.

Liu said Beijing wanted to resolve the disputes through bilateral negotiations.

"We are not going to war with these countries, we do not want to have a fight with them," he said. "But we still claim our sovereignty over these islands."


(Additional reporting by David Brunnstrom and Matt Spetalnick in Washington.; Editing by Lincoln Feast and Alessandra Galloni.)
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CountDeMoney

One thing is guaranteed, Clinton will take a much more confrontational stance with those fuckers than Obama the law professor.

QuoteLiu said Beijing wanted to resolve the disputes through bilateral negotiations.

Of course they do;  much easier to bully countries one at a time into using the script Beijing has already written for them--straight out of the chicom playbook.


It's our ocean, we won it fair and square. Should've smacked them on their noses so much earlier.  Godless yellow commie heathens.


Valmy

Quote"I was asked why China is also building military facilities. You should ask the Americans. They made us feel threatened. It's not we (who) are threatening the Americans. They are so close to us."

Wait I thought they just said we are really far away and that was why they should be able to do whatever. Now they claim that we are super close and that is why they should be able to do whatever.

Anyway I don't see what the point of any of this is.

QuoteLiu said Beijing wanted to resolve the disputes through bilateral negotiations.

Does China not have ambassadors in these countries? Did they send a deaf mute unable to communicate possible resolutions to the conflict and unable to hear a reply?

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Josquius

Quote"We do not know, we don't care, in fact, when this arbitration decision will be made, because no matter what kind of decision this tribunal is going to make, we think it is totally wrong," China's ambassador to the UK, Liu Xiaoming, told Reuters at a recent lunch in London.

If I was the one deciding this I would be almost tempted to say it all belongs to china, just to troll their not caring
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Ancient Demon

Quote from: Tyr on July 04, 2016, 01:19:57 AM
Quote"We do not know, we don't care, in fact, when this arbitration decision will be made, because no matter what kind of decision this tribunal is going to make, we think it is totally wrong," China's ambassador to the UK, Liu Xiaoming, told Reuters at a recent lunch in London.

If I was the one deciding this I would be almost tempted to say it all belongs to china, just to troll their not caring

Yes, it would be hilarious if the tribunal that China is working so hard to discredit actually rules in their favour.
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CountDeMoney

Quote from: Ancient Demon on July 05, 2016, 07:10:52 PM
Yes, it would be hilarious if the tribunal that China is working so hard to discredit actually rules in their favour.

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Admiral Yi

Unfortunately, I don't think China gives a shit about the perceived consistency of its public statements.

Jacob

Quote from: Admiral Yi on July 05, 2016, 07:13:26 PM
Unfortunately, I don't think China gives a shit about the perceived consistency of its public statements.

Yeah, I don't see why they wouldn't instantly pivot and say "see! The international community has proclaimed the righteousness of our cause!"

The Minsky Moment

What's bizarre is that the PRC signed UNCLOS but routinely ignores or violates it.  Whereas the US refused to sign UNCLOS and yet has a policy of seeking to enforce it.  For consistencies sake the US should sign and PRC should repudiate.
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Monoriu

Quote from: The Minsky Moment on July 05, 2016, 08:01:50 PM
What's bizarre is that the PRC signed UNCLOS but routinely ignores or violates it.  Whereas the US refused to sign UNCLOS and yet has a policy of seeking to enforce it.  For consistencies sake the US should sign and PRC should repudiate.

For what it is worth, a PLA flag officer just told me that there was an exclusion clause in the treaty when it signed the UNCLOS that exempted China from any dispute which involved territorial sovereignty. 

CountDeMoney

Quote from: Monoriu on July 06, 2016, 11:38:05 PM
For what it is worth, a PLA flag officer just told me that there was an exclusion clause in the treaty when it signed the UNCLOS that exempted China from any dispute which involved territorial sovereignty.


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