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Hitler was worse than Stalin

Started by Syt, April 17, 2015, 06:23:54 AM

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Berkut

Quote from: The Brain on April 17, 2015, 12:07:29 PM
Quote from: Berkut on April 17, 2015, 11:35:29 AM
Quote from: derspiess on April 17, 2015, 08:49:44 AM
It's kind of nice that he semi-acknowledges Soviet oppression post-WWII but to call it imposing a "model of development" is an interesting choice of words. 

He'll occasionally acknowledge that the Soviet Union did bad things, but he has to immediately follow up by slinging shit at everyone else.

What is stupid is that the facts immediately contradict his comment.

"After the Second World War, we tried to impose on East European countries our model of development and did it by force"

OK, this is certainly true, the USSR used force to impose their political and economic model on Eastern Europe.

"By the way, Americans are behaving in the same manner, trying to impose their model practically worldwide,"

That is clearly false. American might be trying to impose our model worldwide (it isn't really *our* model per se though), but there is one rather key difference. We aren't doing it by force. Liberal capitalism isn't spread, with very, very few exceptions, by T-62s or M-1s rolling into other countries. Rather, it has spread simply by offering a better alternative than the options.

:yes: Iraq never happened.

Do you understand what the word "exception" means?
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Valmy

Yeah but now we have that hanging over our heads forever. Thanks guy-before-Obama.
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Maladict

Quote from: Josephus on April 17, 2015, 10:39:53 AM
I notice you never come across anybody named Hitler much anymore these days, but I wonder if Germans still name boys Adolf?

I know several people born in the late 40s and 50s who have Adolph as their second or third name. The stigma attached to Adolf/Adolph only started in the 70s iirc.

Valmy

The situation is not helped by Hitler not even being the only unspeakably vile Adolf in Nazi Germany.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

Eddie Teach

Quote from: Valmy on April 17, 2015, 12:37:55 PM
The situation is not helped by Hitler not even being the only unspeakably vile Adolf

Do you hate the SEC that much?  :hmm:
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Valmy

Are you suggesting UK Basketball are the real Nazis? I cannot disagree.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

grumbler

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Razgovory

Quote from: crazy canuck on April 17, 2015, 11:19:57 AM
Quote from: lustindarkness on April 17, 2015, 11:06:40 AM
It is still used in spanish, Adolfo.

English speakers don't name their boys Jesus either.

Is this some kind of weird Canadian joke?
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Eddie Teach

Levon calls his child Jesus, cause he likes the name.
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Malthus

The US invaded Iraq to force the Iraqis to become capitalist?  :hmm:
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Razgovory

I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Valmy

Quote from: Malthus on April 17, 2015, 01:05:30 PM
The US invaded Iraq to force the Iraqis to become capitalist?  :hmm:

Saddam political party was theoretically socialist right? But part of the plan was to reform them as a capitalist liberal democracy so then they would be just like Germany and Japan.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

Malthus

Quote from: Valmy on April 17, 2015, 01:47:35 PM
Quote from: Malthus on April 17, 2015, 01:05:30 PM
The US invaded Iraq to force the Iraqis to become capitalist?  :hmm:

Saddam political party was theoretically socialist right? But part of the plan was to reform them as a capitalist liberal democracy so then they would be just like Germany and Japan.

Right, but that was hardly the inspiration for invading them. There are plently of countries that are not "capitalist liberal democracies" that the US never thought of invading. 

The actual reasons had more to do with the history with Saddam, and wanting him gone.
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derspiess

Quote from: Valmy on April 17, 2015, 01:47:35 PM
Saddam political party was theoretically socialist right?

Among other things.  The entire Ba'athist movement was/is bizarre and fascinating.
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Valmy

True but the Soviet Union occupying Poland and company was not really out of Communist zeal either  :P

There were certainly some in the US who were presenting this as a way to spread American ideas. It didn't work but that was never our primary strategy to make everybody adopt our way of life. We certainly did not force Russia to become capitalists or liberals of any sort. They pretended to do that on their own.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."