Sheilbh's Scott Walker Lovefest and Union Bashing Megathread

[Kleves]

What are the class size they're aiming for?

~15 in grade school, ~25 in middle/high school, I think.

[CountDeMoney]

in order to fund a measure that has, at best, marginal benefits for everyone save the union.

One would think that the parents of students in overcrowded classrooms would see, at best, marginal benefits.

[MadImmortalMan]

Who pays for the police and prisons in states?

The cops just take money out of peoples' cars, remember. 

[jimmy olsen]

What are the class size they're aiming for?

~15 in grade school, ~25 in middle/high school, I think.

I'd say 20 and 25 would be ideal.

[MadImmortalMan]

I really doubt class size has any real correlation to education quality. If anything, I'd say larger class sizes would encourage more critical thinking skills.

Google found this.

[CountDeMoney]

I really doubt class size has any real correlation to education quality.

Being able to manage 20 little shits instead 40 little shits impacts a teacher's ability to teach effectively, and a student's ability to pay attention effectively.  That's just basic crowd control math.

If anything, I'd say larger class sizes would encourage more critical thinking skills.

In what, survival skills? 

[Razgovory]

So did we come to a consensus that it's evil if a public service union gives money to a candidate but totally different if a business gives donations so it can continue it's contracts with the government?

[grumbler]

I really doubt class size has any real correlation to education quality. If anything, I'd say larger class sizes would encourage more critical thinking skills.

My experience is the opposite, but what do I know?

[Martinus]

I really doubt class size has any real correlation to education quality. If anything, I'd say larger class sizes would encourage more critical thinking skills.

Seriously, this is the zaniest thing I have read here in weeks. 

[Martinus]

In what, survival skills? 

You could critically assess if someone is going to shiv you.

[Martinus]

Damn this thread grew quickly; exec.sum. please.

Corporations not only are people, they are good people.

Unions are evil.

Teachers are lazy and should be happy with whatever they are paid, since noone talented and able to get a job in another industry would even consider teaching.

There was also a bunch of ignorant claims.

[MadImmortalMan]

So did we come to a consensus that it's evil if a public service union gives money to a candidate but totally different if a business gives donations so it can continue it's contracts with the government?

They're both bad.

[MadImmortalMan]

My experience is the opposite, but what do I know?

Well convince me then. I've looked up lots of studies that show both results, and nearly all of them are conducted or paid for my some group with a conflict of interest. And the stats don't show much difference either way when comparing internationally (which has its obvious deficiency of course).

I'm guessing it matters most with the very young kids, grade K-4 or so. But hell I had classes with 400 or more students in them in college and it was fine.

[Razgovory]

So did we come to a consensus that it's evil if a public service union gives money to a candidate but totally different if a business gives donations so it can continue it's contracts with the government?

They're both bad.

Freedom is a bitch ain't it?

[Martinus]

Did MiM just really equate college lecture aulas with elementary and high school classrooms?