Why are we criminalizing childhood independence?

[Eddie Teach]

I've heard about her before. It's very sad but the answer is not to lock kids up in their homes.

[crazy canuck]

I've heard about her before. It's very sad but the answer is not to lock kids up in their homes.

Who suggested that is the answer?

[Martinus]

I've heard about her before. It's very sad but the answer is not to lock kids up in their homes.

Yeah. We can't build a society around outliers. That's the same attitude that led to hand luggage restrictions and the need to remove your shoes while going through security checks.

[Martinus]

I've heard about her before. It's very sad but the answer is not to lock kids up in their homes.

Who suggested that is the answer?

This comes back to the same point as was made earlier in this thread (before it went to bullying). People no longer understand the concept of understandable losses. You can't build your rules to provide everybody with 100% protection.

How many kids like that are there? One in 10,000? One in a million?

[garbon]

Wow.

[Eddie Teach]

Who suggested that is the answer?

The articles at the beginning of the thread suggest it's the answer society's chosen.

[crazy canuck]

Who suggested that is the answer?

The articles at the beginning of the thread suggest it's the answer society's chosen.

And we have all been discussing how that should not be the case.  Berkut took the position that we need to deal with bullying rather than put up with it.  Marti says that is ok to sacrifice kids to toughen them up.

[Legbiter]

Dramafags all of you. Winter will be long.

[Warspite]

Here's a more pragmatic consideration for those of you that think bullying isn't a problem. By ignoring bullies, what are you teaching them about how it is acceptable to conduct oneself as an adult?

[Warspite]

Then grow a pair and stop worrying about cyber bullying?

Seriously, this is heading towards making the world this cushy place where nothing offensive ever gets said by anyone.

Not really.

Parents should stop teaching their children how not to offend, but how not to take offense or care about someone saying something mean or disagreeable.

Pray tell how do you teach someone 'not to take offense'? By turning them into an autist?

By the way, bullying isn't about 'mean or disagreeable' things; it's much more nasty. It's the kind of stuff gays had to put up with before society realised there was a more enlightened way of doing things. Or perhaps people like Turing were just pussies.

[Berkut]

Then grow a pair and stop worrying about cyber bullying?

Seriously, this is heading towards making the world this cushy place where nothing offensive ever gets said by anyone. And then people wonder why we got to a point where a university bans "Vagina Monologues" because it "excludes women without a vagina." Don't you see the connection? We are creating a world of fucking pussies.

Parents should stop teaching their children how not to offend, but how not to take offense or care about someone saying something mean or disagreeable.

Given that we know that in most cases the bully is a victim as well (I believe studies and psychologists have shown that most bullies were bullied themselves, often at home, or have significant social anxiety around their own insecurity and fears of not being accepted), I think it is pretty easy to understand what drives Marty's own behavior.

Parents should teach their children to have empathy and respect for others, and not physically or mentally abuse them in an effort to obtain the social acceptance they fear they cannot achieve on their own.

It is a crazy thought, I know.

[Martinus]

Here's a more pragmatic consideration for those of you that think bullying isn't a problem. By ignoring bullies, what are you teaching them about how it is acceptable to conduct oneself as an adult?

But the converse is also true. By combating bullies we are teaching their would-be victims about how it is acceptable to conduct oneself as an adult with no fear of reprisal or ostracism. Hence Perez Hilton and Chris Crocker, who clearly were not bullied enough as kids.

[alfred russel]

I didn't realize how bad America was on this until I lived in Korea and traveled around some.

I'm not sure Europe is so different, but it hit me how crazy the difference was when I was in a town in Peru and once school let out the place was packed with grade school age children* who were unsupervised.

*Do to the height of the typical country Peruvian, it is possible they were all adults.

[Eddie Teach]

Here's a more pragmatic consideration for those of you that think bullying isn't a problem. By ignoring bullies, what are you teaching them about how it is acceptable to conduct oneself as an adult?

But the converse is also true. By combating bullies we are teaching their would-be victims about how it is acceptable to conduct oneself as an adult with no fear of reprisal or ostracism. Hence Perez Hilton and Chris Crocker, who clearly were not bullied enough as kids.

Isn't it "Christina"?

[Martinus]

Then grow a pair and stop worrying about cyber bullying?

Seriously, this is heading towards making the world this cushy place where nothing offensive ever gets said by anyone.

Not really.

Parents should stop teaching their children how not to offend, but how not to take offense or care about someone saying something mean or disagreeable.

Pray tell how do you teach someone 'not to take offense'? By turning them into an autist?

By the way, bullying isn't about 'mean or disagreeable' things; it's much more nasty. It's the kind of stuff gays had to put up with before society realised there was a more enlightened way of doing things. Or perhaps people like Turing were just pussies.

Isn't there a golden medium though? It seems to me we are now pushing in the opposite extreme.