11 dead in French satirical magazine shooting

[DGuller]

My avatar for over 24 hours before anyone said anything.

That's because most people don't really pay attention to avatars.

[Ed Anger]

I think the real tragedy in all of this is this clusterfuck of a thread.

It has turned into the Hougoumont of threads.

[11B4V]

I think the real tragedy in all of this is this clusterfuck of a thread.

That's a glass half empty attitude.

[11B4V]

My avatar for over 24 hours before anyone said anything.

That's because most people don't really pay attention to avatars.

See, this I find strange. I look at and read the captions if I notice (usually do) a change by someone.

[Admiral Yi]

"Defending freedom of expression in the face of oppression is one thing; insisting on the right to be obnoxious and offensive just because you can is infantile. Baiting extremists isn't bravely defiant when your manner of doing so is more significant in offending millions of moderate people as well. And within a climate where violent response – however illegitimate – is a real risk, taking a goading stand on a principle virtually no one contests is worse than pointless: it's pointlessly all about you."

That is not an unreasonable statement, or even a false statement.  In fact, it's not too far in principle from what Oliver Wendell Holmes would've said.

The unreasonable part is that the offensive cartoons were all about the artists.  Of course it was about the artists; all art is about the artists.

The false part is that virtually no one contests the right to publish offensive material.  When Jylland Post published the Mohammed cartoons quite a few people contested it quite vigorously.

But it does demonstrate, at least to me, an attempt to grapple with conflicting ideas.  (As opposed to the other sound byte quoted in the link, which is a pure and simple attempt at moral equivalence.)  This internal debate in the Muslim community on how to think about satire of Islam could end up being the great upside of this attack.

[Ed Anger]

I think the real tragedy in all of this is this clusterfuck of a thread.

That's a glass half empty attitude.

Very Russian of him.

[Jacob]

I think the real tragedy in all of this is this clusterfuck of a thread.

It is who we are.

[Liep]

My avatar for over 24 hours before anyone said anything.

That's because most people don't really pay attention to avatars.

See, this I find strange. I look at and read the captions if I notice (usually do) a change by someone.

I saw it, but I also saw the trolling and stayed clear.

[Ed Anger]

CBS actually showed the new cover on the Evening news.

I think I suffered a mild heart attack.

[Ed Anger]

Now we have right wing germans on the news. HITLER BONER

[11B4V]

My avatar for over 24 hours before anyone said anything.

That's because most people don't really pay attention to avatars.

See, this I find strange. I look at and read the captions if I notice (usually do) a change by someone.

I saw it, but I also saw the trolling and stayed clear.

No intent of trolling on what my basic position is.

[Admiral Yi]

No intent of trolling on what my basic position is.

You could put the same caption on the picture of a dead convenience store owner.  After all, everyone knows that if you open a convenience store it has a chance of being robbed.  And maybe a cop will killed during the robbery.

[11B4V]

No intent of trolling on what my basic position is.

You could put the same caption on the picture of a dead convenience store owner.  After all, everyone knows that if you open a convenience store it has a chance of being robbed.  And maybe a cop will killed during the robbery.

Why would I do that. The convenience store has a right to sell slurpees and two day old hotdogs. They shouldnt be shot for it.

[Liep]

No intent of trolling on what my basic position is.

You could put the same caption on the picture of a dead convenience store owner.  After all, everyone knows that if you open a convenience store it has a chance of being robbed.  And maybe a cop will killed during the robbery.

Why would I do that. The convenience store has a right to sell slurpees and two day old hotdogs. They shouldnt be shot for it.

And you should be shot for drawing cartoons? Nope, I'm staying clear.

[11B4V]

No intent of trolling on what my basic position is.

You could put the same caption on the picture of a dead convenience store owner.  After all, everyone knows that if you open a convenience store it has a chance of being robbed.  And maybe a cop will killed during the robbery.

Why would I do that. The convenience store has a right to sell slurpees and two day old hotdogs. They shouldnt be shot for it.

And you should be shot for drawing cartoons? Nope, I'm staying clear.

Of course not, who said that?