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Started by Brazen, January 07, 2015, 06:49:08 AM

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Duque de Bragança

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Quote from: 11B4V on January 12, 2015, 11:46:17 AM
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on January 12, 2015, 11:41:33 AM
Quote from: 11B4V on January 12, 2015, 11:35:41 AM
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on January 12, 2015, 11:31:17 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 12, 2015, 11:27:13 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 12, 2015, 11:02:37 AM
You are not the intended audience.

Then I don't see the reason for being critical of Americans for not "getting" it, or not republishing the cartoons in solidarity, fraternité, etc.

I don't think not publishing Andrea Merkel shaving her snatch on the front page of the Cleveland Plain Dealer is a justified excuse to take a shot at American's so-called "freedom of speech", either.

:secret: It was not Angela Merkel in the cover Martinus used, it was Marine Le Pen. Seems this fanzine for immature, teenage-like old leftists/'68 'tards is too subtle for you.

Who cares who it was. It was still a political figure, correct? Poor taste. You all need to work on that.

Try to figure who it was, compared to Charlie Hebdo's political spectrum and then you'll be able to understand. What's next, Fox News being REALLY fair and balanced on Obama?
Mind you, I never said for this precise cartoon to be reprinted (too Franco-centric), only the ones about Mahomet. I don't see how the US public can judge if they don't see them.
As for poor taste, that's Charlie Hebdo trademark so if you had that in mind, you would have seen their Mahomet cartoons were pretty tame given their record.

When was the last time Fox put up a photo of Hillary shaving her snatch? Or of Obama eating watermelon? You folks over there need to grow up.

Their disinformation act is way worse than immature and crude humour (not my favourite kind btw), should be easy to see.

11B4V

Quote from: Duque de Bragança on January 12, 2015, 11:47:47 AM
Quote from: 11B4V on January 12, 2015, 11:46:17 AM
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on January 12, 2015, 11:41:33 AM
Quote from: 11B4V on January 12, 2015, 11:35:41 AM
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on January 12, 2015, 11:31:17 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 12, 2015, 11:27:13 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 12, 2015, 11:02:37 AM
You are not the intended audience.

Then I don't see the reason for being critical of Americans for not "getting" it, or not republishing the cartoons in solidarity, fraternité, etc.

I don't think not publishing Andrea Merkel shaving her snatch on the front page of the Cleveland Plain Dealer is a justified excuse to take a shot at American's so-called "freedom of speech", either.

:secret: It was not Angela Merkel in the cover Martinus used, it was Marine Le Pen. Seems this fanzine for immature, teenage-like old leftists/'68 'tards is too subtle for you.

Who cares who it was. It was still a political figure, correct? Poor taste. You all need to work on that.

Try to figure who it was, compared to Charlie Hebdo's political spectrum and then you'll be able to understand. What's next, Fox News being REALLY fair and balanced on Obama?
Mind you, I never said for this precise cartoon to be reprinted (too Franco-centric), only the ones about Mahomet. I don't see how the US public can judge if they don't see them.
As for poor taste, that's Charlie Hebdo trademark so if you had that in mind, you would have seen their Mahomet cartoons were pretty tame given their record.

When was the last time Fox put up a photo of Hillary shaving her snatch? Or of Obama eating watermelon? You folks over there need to grow up.

Their disinformation act is way worse than immature and crude humour (not my favourite kind btw), should be easy to see.
Apparently not, when was the last time the Democratic party radicals shot up a Fox New studio and killed Fox News employees?
"there's a long tradition of insulting people we disagree with here, and I'll be damned if I listen to your entreaties otherwise."-OVB

"Obviously not a Berkut-commanded armored column.  They're not all brewing."- CdM

"We've reached one of our phase lines after the firefight and it smells bad—meaning it's a little bit suspicious... Could be an amb—".

11B4V

Quote from: Zoupa on January 12, 2015, 11:47:31 AM
Quote from: 11B4V on January 12, 2015, 11:35:41 AM
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on January 12, 2015, 11:31:17 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 12, 2015, 11:27:13 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 12, 2015, 11:02:37 AM
You are not the intended audience.

Then I don't see the reason for being critical of Americans for not "getting" it, or not republishing the cartoons in solidarity, fraternité, etc.

I don't think not publishing Andrea Merkel shaving her snatch on the front page of the Cleveland Plain Dealer is a justified excuse to take a shot at American's so-called "freedom of speech", either.

:secret: It was not Angela Merkel in the cover Martinus used, it was Marine Le Pen. Seems this fanzine for immature, teenage-like old leftists/'68 'tards is too subtle for you.

Who cares who it was. It was still a political figure, correct? Poor taste. You all need to work on that.

Is an american really calling poor taste on the French?

CH is a product of a long history of dragging mofos in the gutter and calling public figures on their constant bullshit.

Pamphlets during the Ancien Regime, tracts leading to the revolution, 19th century newspapers, anti gaullists and 1968 journals like CH.

Read up. Then you'll understand why it's vital to see Le Pen shave her snatch on the front page :P Because fuck her. And fuck Mahomet.

And fuck you.

As I stated. You just confirmed it.
"there's a long tradition of insulting people we disagree with here, and I'll be damned if I listen to your entreaties otherwise."-OVB

"Obviously not a Berkut-commanded armored column.  They're not all brewing."- CdM

"We've reached one of our phase lines after the firefight and it smells bad—meaning it's a little bit suspicious... Could be an amb—".

Duque de Bragança

Quote from: 11B4V on January 12, 2015, 11:50:35 AM
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on January 12, 2015, 11:47:47 AM
Quote from: 11B4V on January 12, 2015, 11:46:17 AM
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on January 12, 2015, 11:41:33 AM
Quote from: 11B4V on January 12, 2015, 11:35:41 AM
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on January 12, 2015, 11:31:17 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 12, 2015, 11:27:13 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 12, 2015, 11:02:37 AM
You are not the intended audience.

Then I don't see the reason for being critical of Americans for not "getting" it, or not republishing the cartoons in solidarity, fraternité, etc.

I don't think not publishing Andrea Merkel shaving her snatch on the front page of the Cleveland Plain Dealer is a justified excuse to take a shot at American's so-called "freedom of speech", either.

:secret: It was not Angela Merkel in the cover Martinus used, it was Marine Le Pen. Seems this fanzine for immature, teenage-like old leftists/'68 'tards is too subtle for you.

Who cares who it was. It was still a political figure, correct? Poor taste. You all need to work on that.

Try to figure who it was, compared to Charlie Hebdo's political spectrum and then you'll be able to understand. What's next, Fox News being REALLY fair and balanced on Obama?
Mind you, I never said for this precise cartoon to be reprinted (too Franco-centric), only the ones about Mahomet. I don't see how the US public can judge if they don't see them.
As for poor taste, that's Charlie Hebdo trademark so if you had that in mind, you would have seen their Mahomet cartoons were pretty tame given their record.

When was the last time Fox put up a photo of Hillary shaving her snatch? Or of Obama eating watermelon? You folks over there need to grow up.

Their disinformation act is way worse than immature and crude humour (not my favourite kind btw), should be easy to see.
Apparently not, when was the last time the Democratic party radicals shot up a Fox New studio and killed Fox News employees?

:secret:

There's a difference between Democrats and radical lslamists (despite people telling Obama is a muslim).

CountDeMoney

Quote from: 11B4V on January 12, 2015, 11:52:18 AM
As I stated. You just confirmed it.

The French are incredibly defensive when it comes to French stuff, bless their hearts.

Martinus

Not sure if it is relevant, but Charlie Hebdo wasn't just cartoons - they just illustrated topics covered by the magazine with these cartoons. So for example the picture of the Holy Trinity copulating with each other was an illustration to a thematic number dedicated to the "traditional Christian family model" and adoptions by gay couples.

Martinus

Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 12, 2015, 11:54:06 AM
Quote from: 11B4V on January 12, 2015, 11:52:18 AM
As I stated. You just confirmed it.

The French are incredibly defensive when it comes to French stuff, bless their hearts.

Unlike Americans, who are completely relaxed and non-defensive on topics such as race, for example.

In fact, I don't think any other nation on Languish is constantly accusing others of not getting some local idiosyncracy or another as much as Americans.

Duque de Bragança

Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 12, 2015, 11:54:06 AM
Quote from: 11B4V on January 12, 2015, 11:52:18 AM
As I stated. You just confirmed it.

The French are incredibly defensive when it comes to French stuff, bless their hearts.

:yes:
Specially sons of immigrants.

11B4V

Quote from: Duque de Bragança on January 12, 2015, 11:53:38 AM
Quote from: 11B4V on January 12, 2015, 11:50:35 AM
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on January 12, 2015, 11:47:47 AM
Quote from: 11B4V on January 12, 2015, 11:46:17 AM
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on January 12, 2015, 11:41:33 AM
Quote from: 11B4V on January 12, 2015, 11:35:41 AM
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on January 12, 2015, 11:31:17 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 12, 2015, 11:27:13 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 12, 2015, 11:02:37 AM
You are not the intended audience.

Then I don't see the reason for being critical of Americans for not "getting" it, or not republishing the cartoons in solidarity, fraternité, etc.

I don't think not publishing Andrea Merkel shaving her snatch on the front page of the Cleveland Plain Dealer is a justified excuse to take a shot at American's so-called "freedom of speech", either.

:secret: It was not Angela Merkel in the cover Martinus used, it was Marine Le Pen. Seems this fanzine for immature, teenage-like old leftists/'68 'tards is too subtle for you.

Who cares who it was. It was still a political figure, correct? Poor taste. You all need to work on that.

Try to figure who it was, compared to Charlie Hebdo's political spectrum and then you'll be able to understand. What's next, Fox News being REALLY fair and balanced on Obama?
Mind you, I never said for this precise cartoon to be reprinted (too Franco-centric), only the ones about Mahomet. I don't see how the US public can judge if they don't see them.
As for poor taste, that's Charlie Hebdo trademark so if you had that in mind, you would have seen their Mahomet cartoons were pretty tame given their record.

When was the last time Fox put up a photo of Hillary shaving her snatch? Or of Obama eating watermelon? You folks over there need to grow up.

Their disinformation act is way worse than immature and crude humour (not my favourite kind btw), should be easy to see.
Apparently not, when was the last time the Democratic party radicals shot up a Fox New studio and killed Fox News employees?

:secret:

There's a difference between Democrats and radical lslamists (despite people telling Obama is a muslim).

:secret:
I'm glad you see the fault in your comparison.
"there's a long tradition of insulting people we disagree with here, and I'll be damned if I listen to your entreaties otherwise."-OVB

"Obviously not a Berkut-commanded armored column.  They're not all brewing."- CdM

"We've reached one of our phase lines after the firefight and it smells bad—meaning it's a little bit suspicious... Could be an amb—".

garbon

Quote from: crazy canuck on January 12, 2015, 11:12:43 AM
Quote from: garbon on January 12, 2015, 10:29:40 AM
QuoteIt's so very easy to defend the freedom of speech of those we agree with. It requires no particular courage or intellectual rigour.

I don't see how that's true. I think we'd still call it courageous if a media outlet had been threatened and attacked for something mainstream that we agreed with. Similarly people who frustrated aims of would be attackers of said hypothetical media outlet would also be looked upon as courageous. I suppose less "intellectual rigour" as you wouldn't have the cognitive dissonance factor of having to verbally support something that you despite - but that's about it as a difference.

It is easy to defend the right of someone to say something you agree with.  One's commitment to freedom of speech is tested when defending the right of someone to say something you don't agree with.  Pretty straight forward I would think.

Sure but there is nothing particularly courageous about that - or more courageous than say defending something that you agree with.
"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."
I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.

11B4V

Quote from: Martinus on January 12, 2015, 11:54:56 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 12, 2015, 11:54:06 AM
Quote from: 11B4V on January 12, 2015, 11:52:18 AM
As I stated. You just confirmed it.

The French are incredibly defensive when it comes to French stuff, bless their hearts.

Unlike Americans, who are completely relaxed and non-defensive on topics such as race, for example.

In fact, I don't think any other nation on Languish is constantly accusing others of not getting some local idiosyncracy or another as much as Americans.

So, you're saying the French are racist? Hence their acceptance of the CH cartoons.
"there's a long tradition of insulting people we disagree with here, and I'll be damned if I listen to your entreaties otherwise."-OVB

"Obviously not a Berkut-commanded armored column.  They're not all brewing."- CdM

"We've reached one of our phase lines after the firefight and it smells bad—meaning it's a little bit suspicious... Could be an amb—".

Martinus

Quote from: 11B4V on January 12, 2015, 12:00:31 PM
Quote from: Martinus on January 12, 2015, 11:54:56 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 12, 2015, 11:54:06 AM
Quote from: 11B4V on January 12, 2015, 11:52:18 AM
As I stated. You just confirmed it.

The French are incredibly defensive when it comes to French stuff, bless their hearts.

Unlike Americans, who are completely relaxed and non-defensive on topics such as race, for example.

In fact, I don't think any other nation on Languish is constantly accusing others of not getting some local idiosyncracy or another as much as Americans.

So, you're saying the French are racist? Hence their acceptance of the CH cartoons.

:huh:

CountDeMoney

Quote from: Duque de Bragança on January 12, 2015, 11:57:03 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 12, 2015, 11:54:06 AM
Quote from: 11B4V on January 12, 2015, 11:52:18 AM
As I stated. You just confirmed it.

The French are incredibly defensive when it comes to French stuff, bless their hearts.

:yes:
Specially sons of immigrants.

We're all on the same team, fuckface.  So lighten the fuck up.

crazy canuck

Quote from: Berkut on January 12, 2015, 11:44:59 AM
Quote from: crazy canuck on January 12, 2015, 11:25:12 AM
Quote from: Berkut on January 12, 2015, 11:14:41 AM
This is pretty easy for me, really.

I don't agree with CBs stance or how they go about trying to offend for the sake of offense.

So yeah, I guess I pass the "Will you defend the rights of people to say things you don't like" test.

As I think would most of us.  But the further point being made by the Globe editorial is that defending their right to say it does not also include repeating what they said.

No argument from me. CB is a very peculiar kind of publication. Mainstream publications don't need to reprint their content in order to defend it.

The WSJ doesn't need to post porn on the front page in order to support the rights of porn producers, for example.

:yes:

mongers

Quote from: 11B4V on January 12, 2015, 11:57:29 AM
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on January 12, 2015, 11:53:38 AM
Quote from: 11B4V on January 12, 2015, 11:50:35 AM
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on January 12, 2015, 11:47:47 AM
Quote from: 11B4V on January 12, 2015, 11:46:17 AM
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on January 12, 2015, 11:41:33 AM
Quote from: 11B4V on January 12, 2015, 11:35:41 AM
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on January 12, 2015, 11:31:17 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 12, 2015, 11:27:13 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 12, 2015, 11:02:37 AM
You are not the intended audience.

Then I don't see the reason for being critical of Americans for not "getting" it, or not republishing the cartoons in solidarity, fraternité, etc.

I don't think not publishing Andrea Merkel shaving her snatch on the front page of the Cleveland Plain Dealer is a justified excuse to take a shot at American's so-called "freedom of speech", either.

:secret: It was not Angela Merkel in the cover Martinus used, it was Marine Le Pen. Seems this fanzine for immature, teenage-like old leftists/'68 'tards is too subtle for you.

Who cares who it was. It was still a political figure, correct? Poor taste. You all need to work on that.

Try to figure who it was, compared to Charlie Hebdo's political spectrum and then you'll be able to understand. What's next, Fox News being REALLY fair and balanced on Obama?
Mind you, I never said for this precise cartoon to be reprinted (too Franco-centric), only the ones about Mahomet. I don't see how the US public can judge if they don't see them.
As for poor taste, that's Charlie Hebdo trademark so if you had that in mind, you would have seen their Mahomet cartoons were pretty tame given their record.

When was the last time Fox put up a photo of Hillary shaving her snatch? Or of Obama eating watermelon? You folks over there need to grow up.

Their disinformation act is way worse than immature and crude humour (not my favourite kind btw), should be easy to see.
Apparently not, when was the last time the Democratic party radicals shot up a Fox New studio and killed Fox News employees?

:secret:

There's a difference between Democrats and radical lslamists (despite people telling Obama is a muslim).

:secret:
I'm glad you see the fault in your comparison.

You've just fatally wounded Yi.  :(

And now for the coup de grace.
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